Pedigree Query

"dray, you didn't answer my question. Which 3,017 of the yearlings should be compared to the 3,017 2yo's which sold? Surely you can't believe that a comparison of the select group of 2yo's which have been hand picked from the 10,142 sales crop is a valid one? That would be like asking how do Harvard...

Certainly the highest priced yearlings go the way of the end-user. That's why I tempered my comments by saying that "in a sense" the 2yo's sold represent a select group of horses. Pinhookers love a certain type that we are all familiar with, the kind of horse who will preview well at 2. I suspect th...

dray............???

Louis, thanks, but don't understand why you are caught up on the evils of Phalaris. He was one of the soundest stallions in the stud book, both as a racehorse and as a sire.

Fireslam, true, but from the data I've seen, between 90-95% of the Barretts 2yo's sold as yearlings. It's fair to say that percentage would generally hold true for the other 2yo sales. Clearly, comparisons are fine so long as you're doing with correct methodology. Comparing a sub-group to the entire...

dray, you didn't answer my question. Which 3,017 of the yearlings should be compared to the 3,017 2yo's which sold? Surely you can't believe that a comparison of the select group of 2yo's which have been hand picked from the 10,142 sales crop is a valid one? That would be like asking how do Harvard ...

In 2006, 3,107 2 year olds were sold at public auction for an avg price of about $70,000

In 2006, 10,142 yearlings were sold at public auction for an avg price of about $57,000.

Which 3,107 of these yearlings should be compared?

MARCH, 1999 Barretts Two Year Old in training sale: Time Name Sale Price Earnings Sts/Wins 10.0 PURELY EXCESSIVE (In Excess (IRE) $400,000 $25,000 2-1 10.0 ROCK O (Brocco) (175,000) 38,000 15-3 10.1 MIDNIGHT ANGEL (Housebuster) (120,000) 0 unr 10.1 TOYO TIGER (Lord At War (ARG)) 750,000 0 unr 10.1 ...

I've started a new thred specifically about the Barretts Sale. A summary of the race records of Barretts' grads whose previews were the fastest. dray, I think it addresses head on some of your arguments. If nothing else, it points out how few lifetime starts most of these horses made.

MARCH, 1999 Barretts Two Year Old in training sale: Time Name Sale Price Earnings Sts/Wins 10.0 PURELY EXCESSIVE (In Excess (IRE) $400,000 $25,000 2-1 10.0 ROCK O (Brocco) (175,000) 38,000 15-3 10.1 MIDNIGHT ANGEL (Housebuster) (120,000) 0 unr 10.1 TOYO TIGER (Lord At War (ARG)) 750,000 0 unr 10.1 ...

Hollywood Park will run many more meets.

Bay Meadows will run at least through the end of 2009.

Native Diver will be re-buried at Del Mar.

Facts.

Ill-bred, I don't think anyone believes that good horses can't be found in the 2yo in training sales. Obviously, many good horses have survived the rigors of sales training to win good races. The question is how much potential was left on the track on preview day, and in the few months preceding it?...

dray said "I don't need to go into all the supporting evidence of how the 2Yo sales is a buyers best shot at recouping his/her investment dollar. It's simply fact." Sorry, can't agree with you on this point. For the reasons similar to those you cited later in your post (about the 2yo's being bred fo...

dray, good for you for stepping outside the box. In your estimation, what is the best way to forge a reasonable format for 2 year old sales? Imposed by sales co.? Imposed by racing jurisdictions? Imposed by hosting racetrack? Negotiated between the above and the principals? Since we agree that the k...

Not sure why you would call it a beauty pageant. It's a training sale. Training implies a regimen designed to ready a horse for a race. Two year old previews aren't anything near that. They are designed to ready a horse to perform at his lifetime best on a fixed date. Thus, these horses aren't bein...