Pedigree Query

Hi, but the first generation crosses--Appy x Turkoman, look a whole lot like early TB's. There was one stallion who looked a whole lot like St. Simon. Now, that is not exactly astonishing. The Akhal Teke they are using are highly to very highly infused with Thoroughbreds, just as the Appaloosa, even...

Hi, as I didn't have much luck with the first batch, here is the second one: Formidabliya (or Formidablia), studbook number 206, colt born prior to 1921 Fortingbrass (Faugh-a-Ballagh x Smuglanka), colt born prior to circa 1910. Here only dam Smuglanka's pedigree is needed Galakhad (or Galahad, Galax...

Hi, yeah, you got whom I meant quite alright ;-) The "Turkish" horse was the Turkoman or the Turkoman partbred, it wasn't smaller nor was it an Arabian. You need to look at ancient political charts to understand this better. "Turkish" equals "Ottoman" at the era, it does not equal Turkmenia. There a...

Hi, errrr, hmmm, not exactly :wink: The Turkoman horses definitely were taller than the Arabian, the reason for which being their genetic derivation from a different proto-breed strain. The Caspian horse came into existence and lived not exactly far from where the Turkoman breeds evolved, but instea...

Hi, here two photos, a Muniqi mare and a Muniqi stud, both around turn of the last century, possibly earlier. http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7172/munmare.jpg http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7373/munmale.jpg It is pretty clearcut where these horses got their looks. Additionally, and what Arabian...

Hi xfactor, thanks for those links, but they don't help me. Firstly, only 3 pages are accessible. And then horses I talk about were born somewhen between 1890 and 1940 in Russia and the USSR. I very seriously doubt they would be in Weatherby's studbook. The fact that they do have Russian studbook nu...

Hi, unfortunately I lack both the time and the knowledge to research TBs in that manner. I need the pedigrees of these Thoroughbreds because they appear in the pedigrees of Russian sporthorses (and THAT is the research I am working on and which takes all my free time). To most of these Russian TBs I...

Hi, mostly likely they came from Poland, Germany, the UK, Ireland etc.. E.g. one horse which I found in the database is DAGO (by Don Juan) and another is FAUGH-A-BALLAGH (by Fontenoy) who again is the sire of a stallion called Fortingbrass (of whom I am looking for the dam's breeding, she's called S...

Hi, yes, there definitely were a large number of Turkoman horses among the foundation stock, the majority of them thought to be Arabians. Practically every horse with a dilute factor and also those with lots of white can safely be assumed having at least some Turkoman blood. Additionally the so-call...

Hi, here are the Turkoman horses imported to France around 1830/1840: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5928/ot27.jpg Here a horse also from roughly 1850: http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3259/oporode10.jpg This is an Argamak stud stallion of around 1900: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1669/ot1...

Hi xfactor, I believe I can rustle up some pictures of Turkoman horses imported into France in 1830/1850 or so and yes, there are also a couple of photos around of such Turkoman horses which were used to start off the Akhal Teke breed born somewhen between 1850 and 1900. Give me a day or so ;-) I re...

Hi, I just read that the information on Byerley Turk says "Most likely was an akhal teke". This cannot be the case. The Akhal-Teke breed is relatively young (some 130 years only) and was created by the Russian/Soviet conquerors of Turkmenistan after 1881. The breed name was invented by Russians arou...

Hi, are here only US citizens discussing? I'm from Europe. No one would dig a grave or shoot a horse here, both are grave offenses and will get you heavy fines and a record, possibly even jail, one for pollution (huge amounts of rotting meat tend to affect groundwater) and another for animal cruelty...

Hi, I am looking for the pedigrees of a bunch of Russian Thoroughbreds, though some may have been imported to Russia rsp. the USSR. So far I haven't been able to find them anywhere. Here's the first lot of them: 1. Barbe, colt, studbook number 243 (born 1928 or earlier) 2. Berden, colt (born 1927 or...