Just out of curiosity.
Supposing a mare was sold without papers, would one still be able to register her foal with the Jockey Club?
Registering with Jockey Club
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ac89 wrote:Just out of curiosity.
Supposing a mare was sold without papers, would one still be able to register her foal with the Jockey Club?
Probably.
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What do you mean "without papers"? Was she sold as a 'grade' mare or a case where the papers were lost? If she was sold as a 'grade' mare then you may have difficulties since the terms of sale are limiting and the previous owners may have reported her as dead to the JC (some people do this to make the name available for reuse at the earliest possible date). If the seller sold her as a TB but the papers were lost then there won't be much problems if you have all the relevant info about her. A friend of mine has acquired several mares over the years where the papers were lost and has never had any difficulties with the JC.
Dave C wrote:What do you mean "without papers"? Was she sold as a 'grade' mare or a case where the papers were lost? If she was sold as a 'grade' mare then you may have difficulties since the terms of sale are limiting and the previous owners may have reported her as dead to the JC (some people do this to make the name available for reuse at the earliest possible date). If the seller sold her as a TB but the papers were lost then there won't be much problems if you have all the relevant info about her. A friend of mine has acquired several mares over the years where the papers were lost and has never had any difficulties with the JC.
The later. Sold as a TB, but with no papers.
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The Jockey Club does not require a mare's papers ever be presented in order to register any of her foals, provided she, herself, was registered.
It's tricky. I have three lovely mares in my broodmare herd whose papers were lost. But they were LOST. One mare was accompanied by the notarized statement from the dude that LOST her papers, so I can get them replaced. The other two mares were sold through a registered TB sale, sent to another state, and then abandoned there by the guy that bought them. The sales company sent the papers to the purchaser, who promptly vanished off the face of the earth (believe me, I've looked high and low to see if I could buy the mares' papers from him).
But if a mare is sold "without pedigree," meaning the owner sold you the horse but refused to give you the papers -- usually because the price is insufficient -- then the intention is that the mare will never be raced, or bred as a TB mare. Typically, then, the seller sends the mare's papers to the Jockey Club, effectively CANCELLING the mare's registration. In that case, the Jockey Club WILL NEVER REISSUE papers, nor register foals from the mare, no matter what. Also, to get papers replaced is just not a simple thing, not At All. You have to have a notarized statement from the Last Owner Of Record regarding what happened to the papers. I know, personally, of a wonderful Afleet mare that had her registration cancelled. A friend of mine sold the mare, ended up not getting her money, and finally, out of desperation, cancelled the mare's registration.
It is no problem for a KY-bred TB to be registered out of a mare whose papers have been lost, provided you (1) know the mare's correct name (2) it is REALLY that mare and the DNA verifies -- KBIF does not need papers. The problem in other states and breeds comes into play when they require a copy of the front and back of the mare's registration papers, which Indiana DOES. So does the AQHA for Appendix registration.. so do the Warmblood breeds.
So a mare without papers does present some difficulties, just NOT with the Jockey Club or KY.
It's tricky. I have three lovely mares in my broodmare herd whose papers were lost. But they were LOST. One mare was accompanied by the notarized statement from the dude that LOST her papers, so I can get them replaced. The other two mares were sold through a registered TB sale, sent to another state, and then abandoned there by the guy that bought them. The sales company sent the papers to the purchaser, who promptly vanished off the face of the earth (believe me, I've looked high and low to see if I could buy the mares' papers from him).
But if a mare is sold "without pedigree," meaning the owner sold you the horse but refused to give you the papers -- usually because the price is insufficient -- then the intention is that the mare will never be raced, or bred as a TB mare. Typically, then, the seller sends the mare's papers to the Jockey Club, effectively CANCELLING the mare's registration. In that case, the Jockey Club WILL NEVER REISSUE papers, nor register foals from the mare, no matter what. Also, to get papers replaced is just not a simple thing, not At All. You have to have a notarized statement from the Last Owner Of Record regarding what happened to the papers. I know, personally, of a wonderful Afleet mare that had her registration cancelled. A friend of mine sold the mare, ended up not getting her money, and finally, out of desperation, cancelled the mare's registration.
It is no problem for a KY-bred TB to be registered out of a mare whose papers have been lost, provided you (1) know the mare's correct name (2) it is REALLY that mare and the DNA verifies -- KBIF does not need papers. The problem in other states and breeds comes into play when they require a copy of the front and back of the mare's registration papers, which Indiana DOES. So does the AQHA for Appendix registration.. so do the Warmblood breeds.
So a mare without papers does present some difficulties, just NOT with the Jockey Club or KY.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-64252
It is timely that this ad popped up just now, while this is a topic under discussion. This mare's foals would NOT be able to be registered.
It is timely that this ad popped up just now, while this is a topic under discussion. This mare's foals would NOT be able to be registered.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....