Oklahoma changing its Okie bred rules

Roger · Postby **Roger** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:27 pm

aardvark, you sound a lot like bdw.
I'm not sure what statebred program you are talking about, but in Texas, you can breed to an out of state stallion every year and still get some statebred money. The last I heard NY was even more open. NM is tougher.

what sales are tied to statebred horses. We are going to have a 2 yr old in training sale in a few weeks and most of the horses are from out of state.

Our statebred program pays 40% to the owner, 40% to the breeder, and 20% to the stallion. Which state are you talking about?

I've stated several times that on the national level, I'm conservative and on the state level I'm really liberal. I don't like local boards.

We had a wonderful thread on statebred programs about a year ago and most states cater to Kentucky stallions. The funny thing about that is once you get below the $15,000-$20,000 range, the Kentucky stallions are not much if any better than what we have here in the southwest (just my opinion) most of the cheaper stallions tend to younger off the track types that have a couple of crops to prove themselves and if they don't throw enough black type early they leave to make room for more unproven stock.

Bedouwia · Postby **Bedouwia** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:36 pm

I think the important point here is why would a state government create a benefit for out of state stallions and farms? As a mare owner, you are free to take your mare anywhere you can afford to send her, and want to do so. However, to qualify as a state bred offspring, there should be some support for both the mare owner and the stallion owner involved. It seems reasonable to me that every second breeding is to an in state stallion.

Bedouwia

aardvark · Postby **aardvark** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:03 am

I have no problem with state programs propping up local stallions with state monies, but breed back rules dont do that. Breed back rules prop up local stallions with my money from my checkbook. That is not fair.

I wont pretend to know all the rules for each program out there, or who gets what monies from each, but that doesnt matter when discussing breed back rules. I want stallion owners to benefit from state programs and believe there are better ways for state monies to be used to prop up local stallions. When mare owner money is used to do it though it is just wrong.

Roger · Postby **Roger** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:27 am

I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it. In Kentucky, if you want a Kentucky bred, you have to breed to a Kentucky stallion and the mare has to foal in Kentucky. Thata the granddaddy of all breed back rules. You and I differ on the purpose of state bred programs and thats alright.

aardvark · Postby **aardvark** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:32 am

it doesnt really matter what I think. I am too small to matter and will be selling out once this foaling and breeding season is over. I may change my mind later on, but tax season has a way of putting thoroughbreds in perspective like nothing else can.

aurora · Postby **aurora** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:22 pm

The state isn't going to prop me up when I breed to an Okie bred stallion because I can't get squat for an Okie bred yearling. If it sells at all, that is. Now, if I breed to a KY stallion and the mare foals here and I sell it as an Okie bred then I have a chance to make a little profit. In the first scenario the state will drive me out of business (or else I'll have to operate at a loss) while in the second scenario the state will help out one of its residents make a little something and I can pay some Okie taxes.

cng · Postby **cng** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:24 pm

aurora wrote:The state isn't going to prop me up when I breed to an Okie bred stallion because I can't get squat for an Okie bred yearling. If it sells at all, that is. Now, if I breed to a KY stallion and the mare foals here and I sell it as an Okie bred then I have a chance to make a little profit. In the first scenario the state will drive me out of business (or else I'll have to operate at a loss) while in the second scenario the state will help out one of its residents make a little something and I can pay some Okie taxes.

Since there is enough people on the board of the OTA that have a vested interest in changing the rule - it will change. I won't be breeding anymore, anyway. I haven't heard the outcome last night.