One's own failings? Slots or nothing has achieved nothing for over a decade, yet the associations continue to support a politically failed agenda rather than embracing other potential revenue streams for the horsemen!
Again, you are trying to make it personal and not political. The horsemen as any voter asked to make a decision should have full disclosure to make their decision.
You as a current board member should keep in mind that many of the mushrooms you are so quick to make demeaning comments about are your constituents. You accepted and ran for the position to listen to and represent their interests. Or, is it that I just do not understand the greater purpose of being on the board?
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Responsibility was taken. Members were not about to go along with the agreed 60 day meet, and a 48% reduction in dates. Whether you believe that was accomplished at the board level, or by an outcry from members, is in your mind.
Ajo, it is fine if you want to take responsibility for the turn around of the boards vote, I think everyone is glad it happened.
It has been great to have the racing opportunity, and the complaints I have heard are all centered on it being too hot, no hay, etc. Something that everyone has complained about. Thank goodness you have adapted and supported. I think I have as well. The gaps are an issue, and get resolved by a healthier industry.
Slots or nothing as a euphemism does exist, and is used by board members from both associations quite freely, and on both sides of the aisle.
Hopefully your horses will be timing it perfectly for the 75 day break in Texas racing they are about to hit, and will be ready to fill those cards at Houston in January. If not, I guess we will be seeing them in LA or NM.
Ajo, it is fine if you want to take responsibility for the turn around of the boards vote, I think everyone is glad it happened.
It has been great to have the racing opportunity, and the complaints I have heard are all centered on it being too hot, no hay, etc. Something that everyone has complained about. Thank goodness you have adapted and supported. I think I have as well. The gaps are an issue, and get resolved by a healthier industry.
Slots or nothing as a euphemism does exist, and is used by board members from both associations quite freely, and on both sides of the aisle.
Hopefully your horses will be timing it perfectly for the 75 day break in Texas racing they are about to hit, and will be ready to fill those cards at Houston in January. If not, I guess we will be seeing them in LA or NM.
Key, it's just my political opinion, but no one can be this stupid. Seems like you're the only one in the hole and you keep digging. You don't know what you are talking about. You must drive your fact checkers crazy. Why don't you show everyone reading this forum exactly where in the industry-wide VLT bill it is written that 80% of the potential slot revenue is going to the QHs? The QHs lost Manor so how can you say there is not a reduction in the QH race dates? Since you can't keep your mouth shut if there were any skeletons buried as you so claim, you would have blabbed about it long ago. So elaborate as many posts as you wish cause no one with any sense listens to you....blah,blah,blah
Kudos, G2W!!!
So far in 2011, I have run more races in the truncated meets than all of the "mushrooms" combined. I have yet, in my life, to run a race out of state. I won, placed, showed and ran stumblebums that couldn't find a wire if it was glued to their nose. Yes, every one was a Texas Bred! And yes, my racing enterprise will also be curtailed, perhaps even ended, because I aligned my opportunities to the best Texas could provide under current obligate circumstances.
So I have no respect for whiners who won't roll up their sleeves alongside their colleagues and work for the betterment of Texas racing, and neither do my fellow horsemen who are hanging in there until the economic situation gets better. I don't cotton to the "occupy the organizations" mentality of the mushrooms any more than I relish the political thinking of misguided nimwits who are disrupting community courthouse squares around our country today. You can’t abet your lifetime hopes and endeavors by destroying, out of pure spite, the fiber that innately supports them.
I work and cooperate with respected horsemen to keep my own “little farm” afloat. I’m sure as hell not going to let it sink in whine. Ajo
So far in 2011, I have run more races in the truncated meets than all of the "mushrooms" combined. I have yet, in my life, to run a race out of state. I won, placed, showed and ran stumblebums that couldn't find a wire if it was glued to their nose. Yes, every one was a Texas Bred! And yes, my racing enterprise will also be curtailed, perhaps even ended, because I aligned my opportunities to the best Texas could provide under current obligate circumstances.
So I have no respect for whiners who won't roll up their sleeves alongside their colleagues and work for the betterment of Texas racing, and neither do my fellow horsemen who are hanging in there until the economic situation gets better. I don't cotton to the "occupy the organizations" mentality of the mushrooms any more than I relish the political thinking of misguided nimwits who are disrupting community courthouse squares around our country today. You can’t abet your lifetime hopes and endeavors by destroying, out of pure spite, the fiber that innately supports them.
I work and cooperate with respected horsemen to keep my own “little farm” afloat. I’m sure as hell not going to let it sink in whine. Ajo
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The end point of the "supermeet" was that all the class one TB racing was to be at LS and the the other two tracks would only have mixed meet racing with caps on the TB purses. As the TTHBPA board stated more than once they do not have the ability to propose a racing calender, that they just give an up or down vote on what the tracks present! The QH side of the THP would have had the lead on the negotiations and since PNG is more concerned about slots than racing and Retama would have been sold rather quickly to a casino company, the TB racing in Texas would have been relegated to 60 days a year and the QH folks would have controlled a huge amount of money and the racing industry. Go back and read the minutes of the meetings Ajo and see what was being proposed up to the last minute to PNG by the THP!
It is my opinion that this was the final move on the chessboard and the thoroughbred associations blindly followed the leadership into the slots or nothing abyss!! The bulk of the board members did not know and still do not know what all happened and why. You need to know so it does not happen again!!
It is my opinion that this was the final move on the chessboard and the thoroughbred associations blindly followed the leadership into the slots or nothing abyss!! The bulk of the board members did not know and still do not know what all happened and why. You need to know so it does not happen again!!
Key, why is it you expect folks to answer your questions and you don't answer any when asked? Your babbling post this am didn't answer one question posed to you. No where is it written or ever discussed capping purses. YOU testified before the txrc that purses should be capped. That idea was such a joke that Gary West even laughed and wrote about it in one of his columns. Didn't you learn anything from your failure of attempting to cap the purses in OK? Also, tell folks reading this forum what TTA directors you are referring to who own stallion interests in KY? And what proposal by the THP to PNG are you referring to? Your statement about the QH folks having the lead on negotiations with PNG is also wrong. I'm sure folks reading this forum would appreciate reading accurate information instead of the crap you make up on a daily basis. Over the last few years, there hasn't been any issues between the TH and the QH folks, so what do you have to gain by lying about events that have never occurred? Do you just ride around on your little tractor over your little farm thinking about how much crap you can make up to post every day?
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Ajo wrote:Kudos, G2W!!!
So far in 2011, I have run more races in the truncated meets than all of the "mushrooms" combined. I have yet, in my life, to run a race out of state. I won, placed, showed and ran stumblebums that couldn't find a wire if it was glued to their nose. Yes, every one was a Texas Bred! And yes, my racing enterprise will also be curtailed, perhaps even ended, because I aligned my opportunities to the best Texas could provide under current obligate circumstances.
So I have no respect for whiners who won't roll up their sleeves alongside their colleagues and work for the betterment of Texas racing, and neither do my fellow horsemen who are hanging in there until the economic situation gets better. I don't cotton to the "occupy the organizations" mentality of the mushrooms any more than I relish the political thinking of misguided nimwits who are disrupting community courthouse squares around our country today. You can’t abet your lifetime hopes and endeavors by destroying, out of pure spite, the fiber that innately supports them.
I work and cooperate with respected horsemen to keep my own “little farm” afloat. I’m sure as hell not going to let it sink in whine. Ajo
Good evening everyone,
I appreciate your comments Doc, and I'm glad that you've had the chance to run, and even win a few races with your Texas Breds! I think it's awesome to have the chance to race your horses, and I support all of the others running as well.
I personally have made it a point to go to Retama EVERY Friday AND Saturday that I can make it. I've enjoyed myself deeply! Even made a few bucks along the way!
As for this proud mushroom, and my intentions of racing, I only now have 2 horses left. I had 3, 1 got injured, and I'm down to just 2.
What'd I'd like to see is less of this, and more of an ability to pursue the common goal, and an opportunity for a life of prosperity for us all.
Insults are a waste of time and energy.
The desire of Theophilus Scales, Jr. is to see as many people make it in the horse business. This means regardless to financial position, religious affilitations, sexual orientations, and just the fact that I may NOT like you! It's all about the horses, and those of us who are nutty enough to love them, and this great sport of ours.
Dr. Weilburg, if my dreams come true, with our without slots, my family and I will race hundreds of horses a year, and most of the hopefully will be Texas breds, and in Texas as a bonus. You sir, may not be aware as to where and why people have or haven't raced horses. You had the well wishes even of some mushrooms including myself about a horse of yours than won another race.
This mushrooms vs whomever thing is the same trash that got us into the battles and mistrust that leads to a pointless end for us all.
I've gotta go Dr, but I'll be writing again hopefully tomorrow.
I refuse to exchange insults, and I hope each of you have a wonderful day.
Theo
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G2W#3-To address any questions by one of the G2W folks, I would have to acknowledge you even exist and what your background is. We have not heard from G2W#1 or #2 for awhile, so I assume the possible exposure was getting uncomfortable for them. I am surprised you keep popping up with these strange statements about capping purses in Oklahoma etc. I suppose when you sit in that borrowed office and use the borrowed staff hidden from everyone, it makes it easier to attack the messenger.
The proposal to cap the purses was to get as many racing opportunities as possible for the horsemen. Once the calender was filled back in, then the purses would go back up. As it stands now the 2012 calendar basically did the same thing. As far as capping purses in Oklahoma, I was at the university and could not be involved in any of these issues; if I wanted to be. As far as Gary West goes, I remember when he was at the Lawton Constitution as a sports writer. We did not like him or agree with him much then either!
You are correct, there has been no division between the QH folks and the TB folks because they are all focused on Slots or nothing! I doubt if it was ever presented to the boards the impact of the schedule that was being sold to them since November of 09 in the meetings that did not exist. As is the new habit so as not to be taken out of context, this is my political opinion.
The proposal to cap the purses was to get as many racing opportunities as possible for the horsemen. Once the calender was filled back in, then the purses would go back up. As it stands now the 2012 calendar basically did the same thing. As far as capping purses in Oklahoma, I was at the university and could not be involved in any of these issues; if I wanted to be. As far as Gary West goes, I remember when he was at the Lawton Constitution as a sports writer. We did not like him or agree with him much then either!
You are correct, there has been no division between the QH folks and the TB folks because they are all focused on Slots or nothing! I doubt if it was ever presented to the boards the impact of the schedule that was being sold to them since November of 09 in the meetings that did not exist. As is the new habit so as not to be taken out of context, this is my political opinion.
Theo: the following essay was written before you posted and you were not in mind when I wrote it. Sorry about your horse. I had a yearling blow out a knee last year just horsing around in the paddock. Such occurrences are always heartbreakers. I wish you better luck with the other two.
I am going to exercise my Constitutional right as a political essayist to respond to some of the afore-posted inanity. The following political opinion is admittedly replete with facetiousness, irony, and unique scientific logic that will require at least one synapse to comprehend, and should not be perused by politically sensitive or socially marooned individuals. It is aimed at no particular individual or coterie, be they living or dead, or sessile in the shade.
A condition called horse-shitosis has long inflicted a select population of posters on this forum. A body suddenly becomes so full of equine digestive products that it explodes with excremental garrulousness. Nobody knows what causes this vociferous and mindless phenomenon, and the etiology of the condition is curiously disputed. Porous footwear leading to accumulative absorption of droppings in the barn is one postulation, and decomposition of errant political ambition is another. There is also a theory that some folks are just flat-out born full of horse plops. Whatever the cause, it leads to a cognitive deficit that causes incredibly boring repetition of ill-conceived euphemisms. Please see previous posts, which require minimal retro-searching (for the synaptically impaired, that means scroll up)
There is only one way to diagnose horse-shitosis, and that, I really hate to tell you, is to expose yourselves to previous boring and monotonous posts. Oh, it screeches on your cerebral blackboard, I’m sure, but there you’ll find the mind-numbing repetitive mantra that is a major symptom and is always gnawing detrimentally at potential progress of Texas racing. Repetitive repetitive repetitive ad nauseam ad absurdum; and it never varies. And it never offers a solution to ill-perceived inequities because there really is no desire for a solution by the advocators! Discordance and confrontation purely for the sake of it is the objective of those posters, and their ploys should be shunned!
The latest disruptive tactic is an insidious diatribe to reopen old animosities between the TBs and the QHs. Legitimate horsemen rightfully demand that self-serving non-racing dissidents stop going there! The THBPA and TTHBPA branches of the THP are now copacetically intertwined. We see eye to eye in facing and dealing with common challenges to both breeds for the betterment of horse racing in Texas. The THP is not a breed organization, and we don’t need anybody who doesn’t actually race horses in Texas to muddy or disparage our working relationship.
In concluding my political analysis, I postulate that horse-shitosis will never go away, because the inflicted are never going to be dissuaded from flatulent egotism and whining accusatory rhetoric. They simply don’t get it. The closest to a cure we can get, therefore, is disregardance. So I am out of here. See me? Dis Dis Dis!
Horse-shitosis is epidemic enough in these troubled times, so I’m going to go wash the tennies that I wore in the barn this A.M. just in case the contagion theory is correct. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so they say! And then? Adios for awhile!
I am going to exercise my Constitutional right as a political essayist to respond to some of the afore-posted inanity. The following political opinion is admittedly replete with facetiousness, irony, and unique scientific logic that will require at least one synapse to comprehend, and should not be perused by politically sensitive or socially marooned individuals. It is aimed at no particular individual or coterie, be they living or dead, or sessile in the shade.
A condition called horse-shitosis has long inflicted a select population of posters on this forum. A body suddenly becomes so full of equine digestive products that it explodes with excremental garrulousness. Nobody knows what causes this vociferous and mindless phenomenon, and the etiology of the condition is curiously disputed. Porous footwear leading to accumulative absorption of droppings in the barn is one postulation, and decomposition of errant political ambition is another. There is also a theory that some folks are just flat-out born full of horse plops. Whatever the cause, it leads to a cognitive deficit that causes incredibly boring repetition of ill-conceived euphemisms. Please see previous posts, which require minimal retro-searching (for the synaptically impaired, that means scroll up)
There is only one way to diagnose horse-shitosis, and that, I really hate to tell you, is to expose yourselves to previous boring and monotonous posts. Oh, it screeches on your cerebral blackboard, I’m sure, but there you’ll find the mind-numbing repetitive mantra that is a major symptom and is always gnawing detrimentally at potential progress of Texas racing. Repetitive repetitive repetitive ad nauseam ad absurdum; and it never varies. And it never offers a solution to ill-perceived inequities because there really is no desire for a solution by the advocators! Discordance and confrontation purely for the sake of it is the objective of those posters, and their ploys should be shunned!
The latest disruptive tactic is an insidious diatribe to reopen old animosities between the TBs and the QHs. Legitimate horsemen rightfully demand that self-serving non-racing dissidents stop going there! The THBPA and TTHBPA branches of the THP are now copacetically intertwined. We see eye to eye in facing and dealing with common challenges to both breeds for the betterment of horse racing in Texas. The THP is not a breed organization, and we don’t need anybody who doesn’t actually race horses in Texas to muddy or disparage our working relationship.
In concluding my political analysis, I postulate that horse-shitosis will never go away, because the inflicted are never going to be dissuaded from flatulent egotism and whining accusatory rhetoric. They simply don’t get it. The closest to a cure we can get, therefore, is disregardance. So I am out of here. See me? Dis Dis Dis!
Horse-shitosis is epidemic enough in these troubled times, so I’m going to go wash the tennies that I wore in the barn this A.M. just in case the contagion theory is correct. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so they say! And then? Adios for awhile!
Key, since you are a pathological liar, of course this is my political opinion and not my personal opinion, let me ask you something else. Who owns Lils Lad and in what state does he/she reside? Who owns Special Rate and what state does he/she reside? Hot shot since you posted that TTA board members have special interests in KY, I'm asking you again which board members have stallion interests in KY and what are the stallions names? This is why you will never have any integrity in this business, you can't make constant accusations (yes, I know heeding your attorneys advice, it's your political opinion) without backing it up with proof.
Theo: your critical acumen is appreciated! 
Wish I could get similarly enthusiastic commentary on Ten Horse Tales ( http://tinyurl.com/3x2zdey ) Oh, I forgot, I'm supposed to be out of here! Have a nice day! 
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One thing about it, there is a consistency on the postings. One will not identify themselves and the other will not acknowledge that the proposal to reduce the race dates ever existed, so that since it did not exist it was not supported by the associations. It is another vote that was not a vote.
Do you not think the folks should know where the current board members stood on important issues to the horsemen? That when the TRC asked time and again for submissions to solve the problem, our representation did nothing! When the number of mares bred have fallen year after year in Texas the board of the TTA refuses to address the problems with the T-bred incentive program. In fact what single positive thing has the association done for their membership or industry in the last few years!
Attempting to create a crisis big enough to get the legislators attention by cutting racing opportunity in half is not a positive accomplishment! Attacking and dismissing any other attempt to get other revenue streams for the industry passed is not an accomplishment!
List them, and I would be glad to give credit where credit is due.
Do you not think the folks should know where the current board members stood on important issues to the horsemen? That when the TRC asked time and again for submissions to solve the problem, our representation did nothing! When the number of mares bred have fallen year after year in Texas the board of the TTA refuses to address the problems with the T-bred incentive program. In fact what single positive thing has the association done for their membership or industry in the last few years!
Attempting to create a crisis big enough to get the legislators attention by cutting racing opportunity in half is not a positive accomplishment! Attacking and dismissing any other attempt to get other revenue streams for the industry passed is not an accomplishment!
List them, and I would be glad to give credit where credit is due.
I just finished watching and hearing Kate Smith perform God Bless America and it put all these post into perspective. Its alright if we disagree on which direction we should go to help Texas racing. This is America and we have that right to voice our opinions and it is alright for others to have polar opposite opinions, but it is not alright for either side to belittle, call names or to hide behind false names. If you have an opinion, take responsibility for that opinion. That is the American way!
After reading a few of the recent post, I see that I'm not the only one here suffering from short term memory problems, I guess it just goes with age.
If your post are designed to help in the law suit, just say so. I have to respect ol' Doc., he says what he thinks. I don't have to agree with him and when I feel a need to correct his wayward thinking I do. If I start calling others names, correct me. I will be pointing out name calling and memory lapses in the future when they hurt anyone who post here openly.
After reading a few of the recent post, I see that I'm not the only one here suffering from short term memory problems, I guess it just goes with age.
If your post are designed to help in the law suit, just say so. I have to respect ol' Doc., he says what he thinks. I don't have to agree with him and when I feel a need to correct his wayward thinking I do. If I start calling others names, correct me. I will be pointing out name calling and memory lapses in the future when they hurt anyone who post here openly.
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Rog, it has nothing to do with a lawsuit but everything to do with Key posting accusations he can't substantiate. You and the other 3 mushrooms who condone his behavior make you just as culpable. When Key is asked to elaborate on his accusations, he chooses to ignore the questions and changes the subject. He should have learned by now just because he chooses to ignore the questions, it doesn't make them go away.
Key, how can you post with any sincerity that when you complain about the associations you are not complaining about the board members? What was your repetitive rants wanting all of their resignations? What about your numerous posts of being sold out by the EDs and the presidents? There's no point of continuing to show your lack of intelligence, you get the point.
Let's top this post off with the standard BS, this is just my political opinion.
Key, how can you post with any sincerity that when you complain about the associations you are not complaining about the board members? What was your repetitive rants wanting all of their resignations? What about your numerous posts of being sold out by the EDs and the presidents? There's no point of continuing to show your lack of intelligence, you get the point.
Let's top this post off with the standard BS, this is just my political opinion.