Speaking of White Horses...

[JimbleBrimble]

ooookay, it appears you either did not read or chose to ignore everything I just said.

All I have done is taken the statement "white TBs are so rare that it isn't surprising that we haven't seen a successful one yet" and backed it up...

Your erroneous assumptions and lacking data remain yours and yours alone - at least be mature enough to admit as much.

Had you actually "studied" the data, you would remain challenged to name any white registered Thoroughbred who has ever finished first more than twice.

It was never my intent to do so. My intent was to rationalize why it is reasonable that we have *not* seen successful white TBs.

As for Airdrie Apache, do you know that his 2nd leading White money earner has career earnings of $1200, after three career starts, none of which found him within 38 lengths of the winner. He beat one horse in his life!
He got $1200 just because of the starters bonus at Hollywood.

This is completely irrelevant to my analysis and if you had read any of what I wrote you would know that.

Nerd, we've all read your poor attempts, and continue to not wish to be included in them.

If Airdrie Apache is "completely irrelevant" then surely one as all-knowing as yourself wouldn't have brought him into this thread. The only way that can remain "completely irrelevant" to your analysis is if as you finally admit "it was never (your) intent (to actually study the data)".

You also introduced the term "successful" to this thread, and nobody in his right mind could deem these white things as being "successful". Talk about irrelevant.

You then speculated as to "The White Fox" (great champion that he is) being on the verge of revolutionizing the white horse population, if not the entire thoroughbred breed.

Later you introduce the stallion Puchilingui... which would almost be relevant if ever he'd sired a white Thoroughbred race horse. Please at least try to stay on topic.


As for

Grand Espoir Blanc won three races and sported - arguably - the best bloodlines. He was by One For All, out of a What A Pleasure mare. He earned $35,530, a nice sum in the 1980s. (and yes, JimbleBrimble, I realize you are being tricky - he finished second by a neck 5/12/88, but as the winner impeded him and he was moved to first it counts as a win - hence his record is three wins)

Just tossing some info out there -

Is this indicative of the standard we're dealing with in regard to facts? Geez, no wonder "Nerd" doesn't seem to have any regard at all for actual data when he draws his far-out conclusions.

"the winner impeded him" ??? Really??? based on what source of information???


"second by a neck" ??? Where did you draw that erroneous conclusion?

Why won't you people stick to actual reality when trying to build a case for god knows what? Or wait, perhaps you think that others won't have the facts to dispute what you present as "info".

[StayOutFront]

Is this indicative of the standard we're dealing with in regard to facts? Geez, no wonder "Nerd" doesn't seem to have any regard at all for actual data when he draws his far-out conclusions.

"the winner impeded him" ??? Really??? based on what source of information???

"second by a neck" ??? Where did you draw that erroneous conclusion?

Why won't you people stick to actual reality when trying to build a case for god knows what? Or wait, perhaps you think that others won't have the facts to dispute what you present as "info".

Why the anger and bold type? I found your initial post right on the money. I was simply stating the information I've got here.

I've got a xeroxed article that mentions his being "impeded," but that could certainly have been in error. It was written several years after his retirement, and reporters often get their info - sometimes incorrect - from other reporters, trainers, etc. The only other source I have is his Brisnet PPs which state that, on May 12, 1988, in the tenth race at Ladbroke, his "fp" was 2nd, the distance was a "nk," and the line was "Placed first through disqualification." But Brisnet certainly isn't infallible, either.

These things certainly could be in error - perhaps the newspaper got their information from Brisnet. If so, I apologize. It wouldn't be the first time mistakes appeared in print. Regardless, his stats certainly list three wins and he got them somehow: 16 starts, 3 wins, 2 seconds, 1 third.

That's it for me with this game. Have fun.

[summerhorse]

Hmmm, I wonder how many bay, black, brown or chestnut racehorses never win a race? Or a stakes race? Or a graded stakes race?

It stands to reason that with white horses being SO rare until very very recently, of generally not the finest in racing bloodlines, they the number of outstanding racehorses of white (or pinto) coloration are going to be rare still. But as pointed out now they are becoming much MORE common and being much better bred they will eventually improve overall.

Speaking of which here's a new one!
http://www.painteddesert.net/babies.html

[Nessa]

First of all I think most of these horses are actually running to their pedigrees so it shouldn't suprise they haven't been grade one winners. Then again how many horses actually become graded winners of any kind at all ever, very few. So why are the wild/max sabinos expected to be better performers than the majority of the Thoroughbred population. Also most of these horses are not owned by people who were trying for champion type racehorses so it doesn't really matter to them if the horses have stellar race careers.

There was recently a thread about whether or not a great horse could overcome a bad trainer, and the general concensus was that any success would be short lived. So you can add the fact that most of these horses were not in the hands of top trainers when evaluating what kind of sucess they had as racehorses. There is much more that needs to be looked at when judging white horses as racehorse than just their color. More wildly marked and max sabinos are being born and will make their way to the track(instead of being sold as cropout riding horses). We'll have a better idea of what kind of ability these horses truly have sometime in the future. So take a deep breath people it's not over yet.

[Sylvie Hebert]

[quote="JimbleBrimble"][quote="Nerd"]ooookay, it appears you either did not read or chose to ignore everything I just said.

All I have done is taken the statement "white TBs are so rare that it isn't surprising that we haven't seen a successful one yet" and backed it up...


[quote="JimbleBrimble"]Your erroneous assumptions and lacking data remain yours and yours alone - at least be mature enough to admit as much.[/quote]


[quote="JimbleBrimble"]Had you actually "studied" the data, you would remain challenged to name any white registered Thoroughbred who has ever finished first more than twice.[/quote]
It was never my intent to do so. My intent was to rationalize why it is reasonable that we have *not* seen successful white TBs.

[quote="JimbleBrimble"]As for Airdrie Apache, do you know that his 2nd leading White money earner has career earnings of $1200, after three career starts, none of which found him within 38 lengths of the winner. He beat one horse in his life!
He got $1200 just because of the starters bonus at Hollywood.[/quote]

This is completely irrelevant to my analysis and if you had read any of what I wrote you would know that.[/quote]


Nerd, we've all read your poor attempts, and continue to not wish to be included in them.

If Airdrie Apache is "completely irrelevant" then surely one as all-knowing as yourself wouldn't have brought him into this thread. The only way that can remain "completely irrelevant" to your analysis is if as you finally admit "it was never (your) intent (to actually study the data)".

You also introduced the term "successful" to this thread, and nobody in his right mind could deem these white things as being "successful". Talk about irrelevant.

You then speculated as to "The White Fox" (great champion that he is) being on the verge of revolutionizing the white horse population, if not the entire thoroughbred breed.

Later you introduce the stallion Puchilingui... which would almost be relevant if ever he'd sired a white Thoroughbred race horse. Please at least try to stay on topic.


As for [quote="StayOutFront"]
Grand Espoir Blanc won three races and sported - arguably - the best bloodlines. He was by One For All, out of a What A Pleasure mare. He earned $35,530, a nice sum in the 1980s. (and yes, JimbleBrimble, I realize you are being tricky - he finished second by a neck 5/12/88, but as the winner impeded him and he was moved to first it counts as a win - hence his record is three wins)

Just tossing some info out there - [/quote]


Is this indicative of the standard we're dealing with in regard to facts? Geez, no wonder "Nerd" doesn't seem to have any regard at all for actual data when he draws his far-out conclusions.

"[b]the winner impeded him[/b]" ??? Really??? based on what source of information???


"[b]second by a neck[/b]" ??? Where did you draw that erroneous conclusion?

Why won't you people stick to actual reality when trying to build a case for god knows what? Or wait, perhaps you think that others won't have the facts to dispute what you present as "info".[/quote]

Ah typical Jimble no normal discussion,he has to put the others down...May be he suffers from an inferiority complex...Poor old Jimble.

[Sysonby]

Holy zombie thread Batman!

[ElPrado]

Yeah! Nothing like dredging up a thread that's 5 years old so that you can start another fight. And you wonder why.

[xfactor fan]

When this thread was alive, were the white Sunday Silence horses running?