Actually people are realizing that they are hard to ride. I have sold to, and know many people switching from a Warmblood back to Thoroughbreds in the show ring. Which of course is good for us.
Dressage people what do you think?
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Thanks LB and WarHorse. I was feeling a little lonely over here.
I think it goes without saying that every horse oriented sport, from racing, to dressage, to reining, to jumpers, all have people who do their best for their sport as well as (unfortunately) those who leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths.
I think it goes without saying that every horse oriented sport, from racing, to dressage, to reining, to jumpers, all have people who do their best for their sport as well as (unfortunately) those who leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths.
Jenny, It takes a REAL rider to be able to get a "fractious" racehorse to settle down and "relax" on a nice long rein during a morning gallop, Or to ride a nervous filly and get her to do her morning job well without incidence. It takes a REAL rider to get one to settle while standing in the gate, while having other horses "breeze by" a REAL rider has hands of silk and can ride anything, Don't mistake a good exercize rider with those "show people" who really can only ride a horse that is VERY, VERY< well broke.
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As both a showjumper and an exercise rider I can tell you that they both require a high level of skill and knowledge. I'm not talking about that poncy hunter jumper stuff, but REAL showjumping and I'm sure dressage. It is true that there are alot of show people that are incapable of riding a horse with even minor behavioural problems (front hooves lifted 2 inches above the ground = crazed rearer!) haha. On the other hand, I don't know many exercise riders that are able, or would even attempt riding a horse over a course of jumps. I've also known exercise riders that can't sit a moderate buck.
I do have to mention that I have never seen as many bad riders as here in the states doing the hunter jumper shows (and most of them are spoiled brats)
However, there are highly skilled horse men and women in both disciplines and it is unfair to categorize one based on the actions of a few individuals.
I do have to mention that I have never seen as many bad riders as here in the states doing the hunter jumper shows (and most of them are spoiled brats)
However, there are highly skilled horse men and women in both disciplines and it is unfair to categorize one based on the actions of a few individuals.
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I retrain racehorses for safe riding horses. Most of them are completely nuts and dangerous for any one other than someone from the race track to ride. So don't tell me about getting a racehorse to settle down . After I am finished with them. Little children can start to show them. Give your head a shake!!!!
Its one thing to have a horse at the track. It takes a real HORSEPERSON/TRAINER to take them from the nutcase to a real safe riding horse.!!!
I am not saying people at the racetrack can't ride a racehorse. But that is the only thing most of them can ride.
I retrain racehorses for safe riding horses. Most of them are completely nuts and dangerous for any one other than someone from the race track to ride. So don't tell me about getting a racehorse to settle down . After I am finished with them. Little children can start to show them. Give your head a shake!!!!
Its one thing to have a horse at the track. It takes a real HORSEPERSON/TRAINER to take them from the nutcase to a real safe riding horse.!!!
I am not saying people at the racetrack can't ride a racehorse. But that is the only thing most of them can ride.
I agree with trackgal. I have taken plenty of OTTB's -- they morph after 60 days of turnout. But in the morning I've seen some absolutely magic riders at the track quiet a horse so hopped up no non-track rider I've ever met (cowboys included) would consider riding without lungeing the piss out of it first.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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When I was in Pony Club my parents bought me a $200 OTT TB. He was 2 years old at the time. I boarded at a nice facility with trainers and worked for my board. I got pushed around alot because I was the worker. If a "boarder" needed a crosstie I had to move, you know the deal. Well this little 15.1 2 yr old soon was 16.1 at 4. I rode him everyday after finishing my stalls. I was joined daily by the other stall cleaner Tina. Her parents had bought her a $300 TB/Lipazaner cross at the same time, she was also a 2 yr old. Well for the next 10 years, Tina and I shared 1st and 2nd at just about every show we went to, every weekend (we groomed for the boarders so why not go?) After 10 years my Star was showing at solid 4th level with scores averaging in the low 60's. Tinas mare was showing I-1 and was offered a summer riding scholarship to train with Hilda Gurney. Not bad for a couple of stall cleaners. And yes, our horses were dirty most the time, had winter coats, only got clipped when needed, and because the barn was located in a Metro Park, after schooling outdoors, we cooled our horses off by taking them out on the 5 miles of trails that backed up to the farm. We also rode them down the road to friends houses and swam them in ponds. LOL! I witnessed horses there that never saw a pasture and never came out except to go to shows. Never rode outside and never rode in the indoor unless they were alone. The video is lovely. The horse seems pretty relaxed and looks to enjoy what it is doing. The piaffe is FANTASTIC. I love a nice correct test.
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you think a little turn our erases all the bad memories of being lip chained, ear twitched to go in the gate, and being jerked in the mouth by terrible rders.
GET SERIOUS.
Those sort of wounds need to be trained out of a horse from a very educated horse person. I am sure you have heard of horses who people call " Rouges" The kind no one wants to work with anymore. The really dangerous ones. The kind that are banned at like 3 or 4 tracks. Those are the ones I get sent. They are just the ones that say "NO" to the type of treatment they get at the hands of uneducated people. So don't tell me a little turn out will fix THAT horse and you would put your child on it after it had been turned out for a couple of months. I get these horses back to the races galloping like champions!!!!
you think a little turn our erases all the bad memories of being lip chained, ear twitched to go in the gate, and being jerked in the mouth by terrible rders.
GET SERIOUS.
Those sort of wounds need to be trained out of a horse from a very educated horse person. I am sure you have heard of horses who people call " Rouges" The kind no one wants to work with anymore. The really dangerous ones. The kind that are banned at like 3 or 4 tracks. Those are the ones I get sent. They are just the ones that say "NO" to the type of treatment they get at the hands of uneducated people. So don't tell me a little turn out will fix THAT horse and you would put your child on it after it had been turned out for a couple of months. I get these horses back to the races galloping like champions!!!!
hmmm, "a very educated horse person" this board is FULL of people who have retrained ex race horses for a new carreer and have done so successfully, You are not the only one, and I am sure most will agree, life away from the track, and you have a different horse.
My point was, It takes a "good hand on a horse" (race-horse I mean) to get the job done on a horse that DOES NOT GET TURNED OUT AND EAT GRASS AND FEEL THE SUN ON HIS BACK AND THAT IS NO LONGER IN RACETRAINING, GET IT? and, they may be a "NUT JOB" to you, but to me it is called racing fit. I too have retrained many ex racer's for a new carreer, AND I have found homes for all of them, I have NEVER had one that was so "Mentally scarred" that could not be rehabbed, physical issues yes, mental issues they could not over come? Never.
My point was, It takes a "good hand on a horse" (race-horse I mean) to get the job done on a horse that DOES NOT GET TURNED OUT AND EAT GRASS AND FEEL THE SUN ON HIS BACK AND THAT IS NO LONGER IN RACETRAINING, GET IT? and, they may be a "NUT JOB" to you, but to me it is called racing fit. I too have retrained many ex racer's for a new carreer, AND I have found homes for all of them, I have NEVER had one that was so "Mentally scarred" that could not be rehabbed, physical issues yes, mental issues they could not over come? Never.
I didn't even have to look at the video to know what horse the OP was referring to. When Salinero 1st came on the Grand Prix scene (I think it was about 4yrs ago), there was enormous outrage and controversy about the way he was ridden. The horse is a nutcase and while he has improved he never looked to me like he enjoyed his job. I have an old dressage video with lots of comments from international judges. I'll never forget one that said, " a really good dressage horse is one that you watch and say: I'd LOVE to ride that horse!" Well, I wouldn't get on Salinero on a bet (not that Anky'd let me 
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I am not going to argue with you. I have 11 race horses in training right now. So I think I know what a racehorse is like. Obviously you have NO IDEA what I am talking about when I say safe riding horse, or Rogue. I mean the ones that flip in the gate or won't go to the track and flip. or continually run off at the gap!!! you obviously have not ran into some of the horses I have. That 1% the kind from hell.
Oh by the way you were saying earlier about a " Real" rider can take a nervous/ fractious horse and ride it without incidence in the morning. That is exactly the idiot kind of thinking that get people killed. Racehorses are no different that other horses. They should be well trained/ broke before going into the track they should not be fractious. That is the whole point if they should be trained properly in the first place. but the no mind idiots at the racetrack put 2 weeks or less on them and send them in. I have even seen people breaking horses in the shedrow. HOW ABSURD!
I am not going to argue with yo about it. I am sure if I saw the people and horses you are referring to. it would speak for its self.
My mom has a Saying " No point knocking when there is no one home"
Oh by the way you were saying earlier about a " Real" rider can take a nervous/ fractious horse and ride it without incidence in the morning. That is exactly the idiot kind of thinking that get people killed. Racehorses are no different that other horses. They should be well trained/ broke before going into the track they should not be fractious. That is the whole point if they should be trained properly in the first place. but the no mind idiots at the racetrack put 2 weeks or less on them and send them in. I have even seen people breaking horses in the shedrow. HOW ABSURD!
I am not going to argue with yo about it. I am sure if I saw the people and horses you are referring to. it would speak for its self.
My mom has a Saying " No point knocking when there is no one home"