Vessels Farm mistakenly breeds QH stallion to TB mare

[Sam]

Yes, but the sire of Amazing Philly was a TB.

Um, no, that was the point. They don't know her sire was a TB and for you to assert it was with no proof, Madelyn, is more than a bit naive.

[AscotStud]

unless an uncut pony got loose and jumped her it mos def was a TB. the JC is probably the most difficult hillbilly organization to deal with, which is why that case will never be solved. They could find out who the fasha was if they wanted to.

[Galileo1998]

I would think that when the DNA showed up as not being a match they would have then started to solve the mystery by comparing the foal's DNA to that of every other stallion on the farm. Amazing Philly wouldn't have been that easy to solve because they don't have a "suspect" to compare to. Wasn't Amazing Philly born in 2000 - at a time when many of the likely candidates for fatherhood woudn't have had DNA on file with the Jockey Club?

[Sam]

I would think that when the DNA showed up as not being a match they would have then started to solve the mystery by comparing the foal's DNA to that of every other stallion on the farm.

It's my understanding that they tested close to 200 males that she'd had contact with (from horses on the farm to horses that were at the sale and several in her previous owner's stable) without finding a match. Several of them were non-TBs.

I seem to recall another case like hers... colt named "Ain't Seen Dad" or something like that.

[hpkingjr]

In theory it might not have been an accident at all.

Perhaps a disgruntled employee, former girlfriend/boyfriend or former veterinarian may still be laughing under his or her breath. What sweet revenge for some insult or perceived injury to impregnate a nice mare knowing that the farm would be held responsible. If they in fact checked 200 males without the father arising then it makes me believe it was a calculated planned event using an untraceable source for the semen.

Just testing 200 males would cost almost $20,000.00 not to mention the residue injury to the farm's reputation and future business. It just seems too clever for it to be an accident. Maybe I'm crazy but I question whether it was accidental.

Sorrry, got to run pull down my drapes, someone is watching the house again.

[pfrsue]

Yes, but the sire of Amazing Philly was a TB.

Um, no, that was the point. They don't know her sire was a TB and for you to assert it was with no proof, Madelyn, is more than a bit naive.

Except that the Jockey Club was convinced to the extent that they gave her permission to race. That doesn't reflect any naivete on madelyn's part.

[reenci]

i would think vessels better have a good lawyer.

[reenci]

Yes, but the sire of Amazing Philly was a TB.

Um, no, that was the point. They don't know her sire was a TB and for you to assert it was with no proof, Madelyn, is more than a bit naive.

Except that the Jockey Club was convinced to the extent that they gave her permission to race. That doesn't reflect any naivete on madelyn's part.

madelyn..is diffinetly not naive

[reenci]

In theory it might not have been an accident at all.

Perhaps a disgruntled employee, former girlfriend/boyfriend or former veterinarian may still be laughing under his or her breath. What sweet revenge for some insult or perceived injury to impregnate a nice mare knowing that the farm would be held responsible. If they in fact checked 200 males without the father arising then it makes me believe it was a calculated planned event using an untraceable source for the semen.

Just testing 200 males would cost almost $20,000.00 not to mention the residue injury to the farm's reputation and future business. It just seems too clever for it to be an accident. Maybe I'm crazy but I question whether it was accidental.

Sorrry, got to run pull down my drapes, someone is watching the house again.

i think of all possibilities......you are closer to the truth....just speculation on my part.

[Sam]

Yes, but the sire of Amazing Philly was a TB.

Um, no, that was the point. They don't know her sire was a TB and for you to assert it was with no proof, Madelyn, is more than a bit naive.

Except that the Jockey Club was convinced to the extent that they gave her permission to race. That doesn't reflect any naivete on madelyn's part.

madelyn..is diffinetly not naive

You don't have to be completely naive to have a naive opinion. Figure out the difference calling someone an idiot and calling their opinion idiotic, please. One is an insult, the other is not unless you are far too sensitive.

FWIW, I agree with HP. This was likely an intentional act.

[pfrsue]

In theory it might not have been an accident at all.....

One theory was that it happened at the Barrett's sale. A groom out walking the filly, another groom out walking a colt, someone gets loose, nature takes its course, no one wants to lose their job, so no one says a word. At this stage of the game, I guess no one will ever know. But I'll maintain that since the Jockey Club allowed the filly to race, though not breed, they were convinced that she was 100% Thoroughbred. Otherwise, why the heck would they have bothered to allow her onto the track at all?

[Sam]

why the heck would they have bothered to allow her onto the track at all?

Why not? What harm would it do? The JC played the odds. The probability of her being anything but a bottom feeder claimer were very slim, in fact, I doubt anyone really thought the horse would break her maiden (and she didn't) so it's not like her racing would've been anything other than a novelty. She was from CA, IIRC, so even if she wasn't a full TB, she may have been part QH. She could've turned into a usable 4.5 sprinter at some bush track, but regardless she'd've been all but useless for breeding purposes even if she'd been a registered TB.

[valerie]

Last time my brother in law had a mare at vessels they all wore numbered neck tags. They do a good deal of book work but then with as many mares as they breed I am sure mistakes have been made in the past. They will all work it out. Let's face it, mistakes are human, sad to say but it does happen and the foal won't be worth any less I am sure but the mare will just have an empty year for her TB records. If it happened to me I might be upset but I sure wouldn't think it was the end of the world. I am sure they can get the papers on the foal.

[Sam]

Last time my brother in law had a mare at vessels they all wore numbered neck tags. They do a good deal of book work but then with as many mares as they breed I am sure mistakes have been made in the past. They will all work it out. Let's face it, mistakes are human, sad to say but it does happen and the foal won't be worth any less I am sure but the mare will just have an empty year for her TB records. If it happened to me I might be upset but I sure wouldn't think it was the end of the world. I am sure they can get the papers on the foal.

Seriously, this isn't a tragedy. They'd be more pissed if she'd been bred to the teaser. As it is, they just wound up with what could be a very nice (relatively speaking) sales foal in the QH venue out of a page that would've been middling at a TB sale. And it's not like it's a foal out of a mediocre QH sire. FDD is one of the preeminent QH sires, never mind that the owners obviously think enough of her to breed her to In Excess for (last fee I saw was $35k) so it's kind of an elitist attitude to think breeding her to what is arguably the Mr. Prospector of QHs is a step down. It'd be different if she'd been accidentally bred to Apollo (who I see is now in OK).

[tbrace]

Do we really believe that lots of TB mares are not AI'd in the barn with the door closed?

Maybe not at Vessels, but nowhere?