Galtee Farm LLC , Midway, Kentucky

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Postby citabria » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:13 pm

Most absentee owners are several states away. I know that Galtee had clients from California to Florida. That is perfectly normal in the TB industry.

It certainly isn't normal to visit the farm to see your horses - and take the blankets off once healthy horses to find them starving.

then we get to the bothersome facts that this farm has a reputation and yet your friends still boarded their horses there without supervision.


Reputation with those who have experienced this before, and locals. But out of state buyers/owners would have no clue if everyone previous has done - nothing.

Out of state investors, whether breeders, or owners, rarely see their horses on a regular basis.

I periodically work for one of the larger TB owners in the SW and he has horses on the track he has never laid eyes upon.

Silence seems to have been almost unbelievable in this situation. My friend sent the two photographs above, with the full information, and the lawyers name, AND the animal control contact name to the Lexington newspaper the day after the horses were relocated.

The newspaper said that they would be in contact. Then silence.

I contacted many. This is the header of one e-mail:

To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]

Subject: Galtee Farm LLC , Midway, Kentucky


I got not one response.

The owner of these malnurished horses said that when the insurance adjuster became involved, while in Kentucky, they advised that there had been so many problems at Galtee Farm that they would no longer cover any horses boarded or maintained at Galtee Farm.
This is ALL insurance companies. Not just one.

Losing one's insurance coverage is a biggie in the racing industry.

I am asking exactly the same as any normal rational human being, the same as you both are. Why wasn't this headlines? No-one can say that the newspapers and magazines were not contacted. Why is everyone being so silent and why isn't there an investigation for abuse?

It is that factor that is motivating me. Why would the newspapers ignore such? Why this awful "business as usual" attitude?

It is a bit puzzling that there is no other information online about this farm and this alleged abuse. Google shows nothing in recent news of anything like this. Can anyone in Lexington confirm this story?


I know that the animal control in Midway can. It seems (see above) that getting anyone's attention is like looking for chickens teeth.

I am as confused as anyone else.

What I do know - beyond doubt - is that this incident happened. I know that enough has been said by unrelated people to suspect strongly that this isn't an isolated case. And all I am trying to do is find all those who may have been victimized previously.

If enough proof comes to light I will then loudly ask why no-one has done a thing about this behavior previously. Why newspapers, horse organizations, racing associations have turned a blind eye.

I have contacted enough people, and my friend contacted enough people, that if Galtee was innocent why hasn't someone come to their defense?

The only thing I have received is this barrage of letters advising me to phone certain people who have been in the same situation. I spent the better part of this afternoon on the telephone but only reached answering machines. As yet.

But not one person has come forth and said, "This can't be true. We know Galtee and it cannot be true." Not one. And I have pretty much put myself in the line of fire for someone to do that. It's not like someone cannot contact me to defend Galtee.

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Postby springboro » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:21 pm

Ok, now i call BULLS**T on you.

This is your very first posting to this group. You have no evidence and you want us to accept your allegations. In your own words no one will back you up.

Whoever you are, until you pony up some EVIDENCE I think you would be better served to keep your mouth shut and not raise a ruckus.

Get your information all straight and present it to us and we might all back you up.

So far it seems like a fishing expedition and smear campaign.

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Postby xfactor fan » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:05 am

Firstly I have no direct information about this case. That being said, anyone who is inclined to doubt the poster, please remember that major fraud does happen in the horse world. Remember the Bach Candy Heiress? Involved with the "Horse Mafia" and then disappeared? Last I looked her body still hasn't been found.

Anyone from the showjumping side of things remember about a dozen big names being ruled off for life for killing horses for the insurance? Ward Sr. (I think his first name was Barney--but I get the father and son mixed up) was up to his ears in this, as were a couple of very wealthy riders. There were farms that specialized in "lightning strikes" killing horses in the field. One of my favorite showjumpers was killed by these folks.

And on the TB racing side has anyone forgotten Alydar and the fact that Lundy did jail time over the mess at Calumet?

So it could happen just like the poster claims. Or it could be a troll, or someone looking for a fake story, but keep an open mind about the whole thing, and don't look away if it is true.

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Postby xfactor fan » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:23 am

Disgusting reading, but this kind of thing does happen. This is what turned up with a quick google search. Charisma was one the show jumpers killed, and the one that I loved to watch. Great horse. Made it out of Russia, only to be killed for the insurance money.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A962958260


http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cases/cruel/ward.htm

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/skl ... es%20v.htm

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Postby citabria » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:01 am

springboro wrote:Ok, now i call BULLS**T on you.

This is your very first posting to this group. You have no evidence and you want us to accept your allegations. In your own words no one will back you up.

Whoever you are, until you pony up some EVIDENCE I think you would be better served to keep your mouth shut and not raise a ruckus.

Get your information all straight and present it to us and we might all back you up.

So far it seems like a fishing expedition and smear campaign.


When I decided to investigate this I knew that there would be rocks thrown. That is perfectly understandable under the circumstances.

I try to see this situation from all points of view and I think your reaction should be expected.

Yes, I am on a fishing expedition. I have never denied that. I came onto the forum and honestly posted the exact statements that I asked of The Thoroughbred Times, the Blood Horse, Kentucky Horse and numerous other magazines and organizations.

I am appealing for help from all Thoroughbred owners, breeders and trainers in Kentucky.

I am seeking all previous clients who have had horses boarded or standing at Galtee Farm LLC , Midway, Kentucky.


Those words are not just fishing. That is fishing with a bloody big rod.

Animal control and others in Midway said that this is not an isolated incident on this particular farm.They are called on a regular basis.


I then to go on and assertain that this statement is making me go fishing.

I have been very open and above board. I cannot stop rocks being thrown - I am not on the forum to make friends (though such would be nice) or post on other topics, or defend myself. I am here to go fishing - point blank.

I'm confident that before this is all over the rocks will have stopped and the boulders will have started. But that won't stop me.

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Postby larrygene » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:52 am

WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Lady Brit no one here is throwing rocks or boulders at you!! All we are saying is this is a horrible story. And for you to jump on board and begin a long dissertation about a friend that got scamed by some unscrupulous person without more detailed info should seem logical that before we jump on anyone's side we have more facts. No animal should be abused in any way much less our beloved TB's. We are glad you are bringing this situation to our attention but please remember these are very serious allegations and should be backed up with cold hard facts. If all that you say is true then I will join you in throwing the rocks and boulders at the abusers!!!!

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Postby springboro » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:41 am

Larrygene said it much better than I could... so I'll just say DITTO

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Postby xfactor fan » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:52 am

The easiest way to start verifying the story of abuse is to contact an insurance agent in KY, and ask. The insurance companies always know who the bad actors are. They can't do anything about them, but trust me they are aware of who they are.

Soooo... if anyone has a friend who is an equine agent in Ky, you might want to ask about this.

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Postby springboro » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:18 am

holy crap.. this lady has a serious streak going here. In doing my google searches to see if indeed i could confirm any of her allegations i found this...

http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/632398458.html

Seriously, you gotta give her credit on her tenacity! Man, I would not want her dogging me!

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Postby fullspeed » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:28 am

First of all let me say I am VERY sorry for your friends horses. Those pictures are heartbreaking. I know this is a tough situation I truly do. I do think however that the public flogging without all the facts is not the best manor in which to go about what you are trying to accomplish.Posting or ads in a slightly less slanderous manor might be the best way to accomplish what you are trying to do. I studied your posts and did some asking around. What I uncovered left me feeling a bit uhm shall we say "bothered." This farm definitly needs to be looked into IMPO. If the owner has the connections that I believe they do then that may be why you are having the problems getting the matter REALLY investiated. Ky is a beautiful state and there are some really good people here. Unfortunatly politics play a BIG role in this state especially in the Fayette and surrounding areas. If this were some little fly by night operation this would already be a manhunt with the media stumbling over one another. The good ole boy network at its best or rather worst.

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Postby citabria » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:05 am

fullspeed wrote:. I studied your posts and did some asking around. What I uncovered left me feeling a bit uhm shall we say "bothered."

This farm definitly needs to be looked into IMPO. If the owner has the connections that I believe they do then that may be why you are having the problems getting the matter REALLY investiated. Ky is a beautiful state and there are some really good people here.

Unfortunatly politics play a BIG role in this state especially in the Fayette and surrounding areas. If this were some little fly by night operation this would already be a manhunt with the media stumbling over one another.

The good ole boy network at its best or rather worst.


I am very aware of what is going on. I know who I am taking on. I know how big they are. Even if they were a small operation without clout there would still be a domino effect reaching out to the farm vet, locals, TB industry, courts.
This is not a childs game and I understand all of the ramifications pertaining to this. I have spent 40 years in the TB industry and I know the score. I also very aware that I am putting myself in the the gun sights.
The only way not to is to turn a blind eye to abuse. I can't do that. I honestly can't.

Many have contacted me and all have given me leads, names, contacts - but every single person has requested anonymity. In all fairness I must treat people with the utmost respect.

People will continue to ask for anonymity until a strong enough group, with documented facts, surface. Until they see attention being brought to the situation in the media. And they see that when they speak they will not be stood alone.

I never intended to keep posting on this forum. Someone wrote to my business e-mail - a member of this forum - and asked me to post it here. I borrowed a friends log in name to post it. And I thought I would go on my jolly way - and wait to see what happened.
I am not a forum person and never expected discourse. What I needed was contacts. I do understand why it has turned into a discourse and I understand why doubt and reservations exist. I responded each time because I didn't want anyone to think that I am a British looney tune. Stubborn I am. Determined I am.
But I am very sane and rational.
I can only apologize for any confusion I have caused.


The person who asked me to post it here made a few brief comments on page one of this forum thread. I am so careful at not dragging people into something, and not forcing people to give more information than they feel comfortable with that I read her comments and I desperatly wanted to ask for an explanation.

Yet I didn't say a word. Not on the forum, not in a private e-mail. People know their own capabilities and I don't want other lives becoming embroiled in this mess.
All I am trying to do is get documented facts.. enough for me to go public.

Our track opens in May ( Ruidoso Downs.) I came to Ruidoso with Aubrey Stokes 25+ years ago. He was one of the best racehorse owners, and lawyers, I have been blessed to call my friend. Each day I have tried to get information about Galtee Farms I have wished time and time again that Aubrey was here to help me. I need him.
It's going to be an interesting race season.

My telephone number is on page one. If anyone finds out anything - any contact names, anyone willing to stand up and speak out - I would appreciate a phone call, or an e-mail.

Thanking you all sincerely...

~Denise~
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a question

Postby Sock Monkey » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:12 am

Why does the mare in the photos have hip numbers on?

The way I understood the situation, the photo is of a mare who was purchased several months ago and boarded at this farm all winter. The photos were taken recently - after the farm in question starved her. But, hip numbers would not stay on all winter.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding something, but things aren't adding up for me.

Regardless of the facts, I hope the horse in the photo is doing okay.

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Postby madelyn » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:14 am

Actually the stuff under the auction sticker can be REALLY stubborn and if she was purchased in Jan or Feb it could WELL still be there.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....

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Re: a question

Postby citabria » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:21 am

Sock Monkey wrote:Why does the mare in the photos have hip numbers on?

The way I understood the situation, the photo is of a mare who was purchased several months ago and boarded at this farm all winter. The photos were taken recently - after the farm in question starved her. But, hip numbers would not stay on all winter.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding something, but things aren't adding up for me.

Regardless of the facts, I hope the horse in the photo is doing okay.


This explanation came with the photographs: This mare was purchased 102 days previous at the Texas FT sale in December. She was shipped to Galtee Farms on December 20, 2007. Board was paid on her in full during the entire time she was supposedly being cared for.

The photograph that you see was taken by the insurance adjuster on or around April 4th 2008 within 60 minutes of being released by Galtee Farms.