Big Brown has a quarter crack?

[bdw0617]

for crying out loud, grown ass men I'm sitting here talking to nit picking like women.

I think we can do without the sexist commentary, thank you. I can understand the aggravation as all I saw in your original post was an innocent request for conformation/denial of something you'd heard, but there's no need to descend to the level of cheap insults in rebuttal.

well..women do nit pick. just kidding.

I apologize to the women on the forum if I offended you with that comment. people who know me know I get rilled up and I say things I don't mean at times. I have nothing but respect for the women here, in espically you, and I am very sorry for that, the last thing I wanted to do was offend you.

BUT

How I am always singled out when I didn't even do anything, I don't know. I literarly came here to ask if something was true.. and this.

[Heidilady]

Not sure how asking about this is any different from rumors of this horse or that horse being 'off' in their hind end after the Derby which you get about every year so even if it was bs, big deal. It did turn out to be true, we know it for sure now. I won't grumble about the quip about women since there's already been an apology. About the implications of BB's feet...

How sure can they be there's not an abscess on the horizon? I got that they squirted some iodine up there but when does this sort of thing make itself known? The last two cracks involved hoof wall separation whereas this does not so how does that affect him with 2 weeks to spackle and pad the thing? I agree he might not know he's even got feet by the time he runs. You know what might help? Those moon shoes they advertised on Nickelodeon in the 80s. Or shove some Gak up there.

[Tucumcari]

Usuall 1/4 cracks are dried out prior to getting at them.... A neat little trick I once learned was acetone and blueing, covered for a few days to ensure clean and dry. then a great blacksmith to do the stitching and equilox and whatever shoe you choose either the bar or a shoe that's had the quarter removed. If they are looked ater well, then the few missed days of training is the biggest of your problems.... IMO.

[bayrabicano]

I apologize to the women on the forum if I offended you with that comment. people who know me know I get rilled up and I say things I don't mean at times. I have nothing but respect for the women here, in espically you, and I am very sorry for that, the last thing I wanted to do was offend you.

BUT

How I am always singled out when I didn't even do anything, I don't know. I literarly came here to ask if something was true.. and this.

I respectfully disagree about you being singled out.

I came on this site to learn and I would imagine that others are doing the same or maybe they are here to share their knowledge and experience.

Most of us have been jumped on for something. A little banter can be fun and remain respectful of the opinion of others. For some reason, that is not the norm on this board of so-called adults.

How about we all respect each others opinions like *real* grown-ups for a change? Respect does not mean that we have to agree. If we all agreed about everything, the board would have no need to exist. It simply means that we skip the opportunity to directly insult the stupid a** that can’t think beyond him(or her)self. (That's a joke, for clarification) However, maybe if we stop mollycoddling youthful arrogance and righteous indignation - we will all grow a bit.

By the way, I like Big Brown. Anyone that has been on this board recently has undoubtedly noticed the repeated flogging and that may have contributed to the post that was met with the defensive response.

[Mahubah]

How I am always singled out when I didn't even do anything, I don't know. I literarly came here to ask if something was true.. and this.

Well, you post a lot of strong opinions, and naturally you're going to get some strong opinions in response -- nature of the game, so don't take it too seriously. In the seven years I've been posting here, I can think of a few other people who've taken more than their fair share of lightning bolts for similar reasons. Just reread twice before hitting "send" once, particularly before replying to something incendiary, and target the content rather than the person. Even if you think someone's being a complete idiot, restraint is still the better policy; if the person's truly that stupid, he or she will self-destruct soon enough.

But back to BB. Let's see now, two wall separations and one quarter crack over the last five-six months? Not the world's best feet, there. I'm sure some of the hands-on experts here would know this -- could a change in nutrition or hoof care make a difference in making the hoof wall less prone to separating and cracking?

[Tucumcari]

But back to BB. Let's see now, two wall separations and one quarter crack over the last five-six months? Not the world's best feet, there. I'm sure some of the hands-on experts here would know this -- could a change in nutrition or hoof care make a difference in making the hoof wall less prone to separating and cracking?[/quote]

My personal opinion, yes.

[Laurierace]

I agree that a change in nutrition could possibly help, but it takes a year to grow a new hoof. He would be through his first year at stud long before it made any real difference.

[Mahubah]

Hmmm, that wouldn't help much. Are hoof walls like this typicially inherited, or do they have other causes? I know Boundary wasn't a really sound guy, but I think his primary issue was knees, not hooves.

[Tucumcari]

I politely disagree

[Mahubah]

I politely disagree

With what? Please explain.

[Shammy Davis]

Muhumah asked:

Hmmm, that wouldn't help much. Are hoof walls like this typicially inherited, or do they have other causes? I know Boundary wasn't a really sound guy, but I think his primary issue was knees, not hooves.

Actually, in the case of BIG BROWN, it is likely that the quartercracks are a result of concussion and trauma. From what I've read, it appears that BIG BROWN initially suffered from white line disease. You may have caught the phrase "wall separation" in some of the news reports. That is white line disease. The consensus for many years was that white line disease was a result of unsanitary conditions. Today, the thoughts on the subject are broader and include everything from mal-nutrition to trauma. It is hard to believe that BIG BROWN is suffering from neglectful care which leaves trauma for both the quarter crack issue and the white line disease problem as plausible explanations. Neither is genetic. The problems are also a reflection of his physical maturity. If cared for properly both quartercracks and white line disease are curable. If left unattended the implications, particularly with white line disease, are grave.

From a post on the racing board:

The reports on BIG BROWN'S hooves have referred more to wall separation than to quartercracks. The following explains what a wall separation is:

http://www.horseshoes.com/advice/stoval ... ations.htm

http://petcaretips.net/white_line_disease.html

From the petcaretips link above:
Factors contributing to separation at the hoof wall/sole junction
are excessive moisture; unbalanced feet; improper trimming, an
acute hoof angle such as that seen with long toe-underrun
conformation; flexure deformities (contracted tendons); clubfoot
and concurrent hoof problems such as hoof cracks; chronic
infection (abscesses or gravel); or direct trauma with subsequent
bleeding.

[Tucumcari]

I politely disagree

With what? Please explain.

That nutrition wouldn't help.

[Diane]

BDW, keep sharing info, wear kevlar to post but if you've got inside info or early info there are people who enjoy knowing they heard it here first. Anybody who doesn't want to read your posts certainly must have the ability to avoid clicking to open them or scroll past them.
Mahubah if you want to educate yourself a good place to use as resource is www.ivis.org [url][/url]. In the case of BB I have no doubt he's been in the hands of experts and had the best of nutrition since before he was purchased by his current owners. Currently I'm sure he has the best of everything the world has to offer in regards to his care and feeding.

[Mahubah]

Thanks for the link. I don't doubt the quality of BB's care; I'm just curious as to what causes these things.

[bdw0617]

my TUMB theory is that the succession of the florida derby, kentucky derby and preakness has reopened(?) the old quarter crack he had, just not all the way. or it has put an amount of strain on his foot that he does not feel comfortable with.

I think in a perfect world, Dutrow would let big brown race 6 times a year.