A good trainer or just a lucky one?

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:36 am

OHHH now can I buy the DRF and have it shipped to me from Online?
Karen

TJ · Postby TJ » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:56 am

karenkarenn wrote:OHHH now can I buy the DRF and have it shipped to me from Online?
Karen

Hi Karen,
Try this link. TJ
http://drf.com/misc/about_membership.html

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:08 am

Hey TJ
I called the DRF 1800 number and they told me that they dont have trainer stats.. Was there someone else that you were talking about?
Karen

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:57 am

www.equineline.com

They have trainer statistic reports for sale. You will have to create a user id and password.

TJ · Postby TJ » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:04 pm

karenkarenn wrote:Hey TJ
I called the DRF 1800 number and they told me that they dont have trainer stats.. Was there someone else that you were talking about?
Karen

Hi Karen,
The trainer stats are listed in the past performances of the horses that are entered in each race.....will try to e-mail you PP's I have, don't know if it will work. TJ

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:20 pm

Equineline and Welcome To Brian's Stats.

Not all high percentage trainers are good trainers. Sometimes the small barns have significant success but go unrecognized amongst the big barns with the big numbers. Your trainer being one of them.

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:48 pm

Oh thankyou all of you. Im excited, I did have equineline for tracking trainers. I didnt know about BRians Stats.. Thats new. Ill look into that too.
THANKYOU!

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:02 pm

Tucumcari wrote:Equineline and Welcome To Brian's Stats.

Not all high percentage trainers are good trainers. Sometimes the small barns have significant success but go unrecognized amongst the big barns with the big numbers. Your trainer being one of them.

this is a good point

alot of trainers, alot of big name trainers and big name owners, do nothing but buy high and sale low. that's not particually good training and that's a quick way to a poor house.

i'll take a guy with a 13 percent clip that actually trains horses versus someone with a 35 percent clip that is doing nothing but buying 35k claimers and putting in for 20 every race (cough wayne catalano cough)

ratherrapid · Postby **ratherrapid** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:04 pm

its called "the numbers game" BDW. the only stat that matters is what % of your horses does the trainer injure. If it's high, avoid. If it's low, your horse might make some $$$. those sorts of stats are never published, unfortunately.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:13 pm

Try this link. It should take you to a spreadsheet with all Ca. Trainers stats.

toconline.com/html/files/Archives/TotalsByRaceType.xls

copy and paste in address bar.

winds · Postby **winds** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:14 pm

Tony Dutrow is usually in the high 20's to sometimes 30% He's a very good trainer. Doesn't do the claiming game either.

winds

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:22 pm

Zinn21
your link is for 2008..

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:56 pm

I suspected it was. Could not find a date on it. But it should give you a good statistical idea on the majority of trainers currently in Ca. TOC doesn't seem to have that info at their website. You could call TOC and determine if they have something more current otherwise the only other resource I am familiar with is an individual trainer stats @ BRIS for 15 dollars a trainer or top ten trainer standings at current racetracks website..

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:58 pm

okay thanks

Chelsea Flower · Postby **Chelsea Flower** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:00 am

I agree with most of what everyone has to say here. However, after working on the backside for 25 years I feel that a lot of excellent horseman are grossly underated for several reasons.
I've worked for few excellent horseman but their stats weren't very good. Mainly due to owners having very nice well bred fillies that they didn't want to lose in a claiming race. We had to be smart and find the right spots so they could win or become stakes placed. These were nice horses that couldn't run very fast, meanwhile the stats plummett.
We also have had owners who just aren't realistic about their horses ability. They think because they bought a horse for x amount it should be a good horse. Some owners don't like their horses running in claiming races. I understand not wanting to lose them but the best horseman in the world can not make them run faster. All a good horseman can do is keep their horses sound, happy, and with the mental attitude of wanting to run.
So I think the best way to see if someone is a good horseman is to be on the backside and see how they treat their horses, the care they receive, how the horses look (coats).
A few so called good horseman out there have an awful lot of breakdowns in the morning, which in my experience you usually know (unless it is a freak accident) when a horse is going to break down. Of all the people I have worked for and I consider them to be good horseman I have only been around 1 horse that we had to put down and he was a freak accident. My bosses either stopped on the horse and turned it out for a while or retired it. They always operated in the very best interest of the horse but some of them on paper didn't look like they were doing a good job. If we had been able to run the horse in the proper places we would have won many more races