monsignor or priest, parish or diocese does not matter. The fact is the NCAA is, in effect, punishing the "parishioners".
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NCAA ruling on Paterno and Penn State--what about Dutrow?
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What the NCAA is trying to accomplish, IMO, is let other NCAA member schools know if they choose the same path as Penn State a similar punishment will occur. I know there are some who feel that it is unfair to punish those who were not directly involved but if a governing body does not set a standard of behavior nothing will change.
Regarding Dutrow, there will be a day when there is no longer any appeal course. When his final appeal is heard I believe he will be done training horses at that time. Patience unfortunately is necessary.
Regarding Dutrow, there will be a day when there is no longer any appeal course. When his final appeal is heard I believe he will be done training horses at that time. Patience unfortunately is necessary.
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griff wrote:monsignor or priest, parish or diocese does not matter. The fact is the NCAA is, in effect, punishing the "parishioners".
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What the NCAA is doing is breaking up the groupthink mentality that chose the support of a moneymaking sports franchise over outing a child molestor, one so blatant that the same resources that were used to find and recruit athletes were used to find and groom children for this man to assault. There is testimony from janitors in the Freeh report saying that even the janitors knew what was going on, and they chose to keep their mouths shut to save their jobs. The whole system there was being used and abused and nobody said a thing.
The NCAA could very well have given Penn State the death penalty, and Penn State knows it. That's why I suspect you're going to see the university just quietly take it. By not shutting down an entity that systematically aided and abetted a serial rapist for years, the NCAA is giving the school notice, but also giving the local economy (which gains a lot of revenue from football a break. The athletes will be allowed to transfer out--and every major program with a brain and scholarships is out for them. (Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/sport ... .html?_r=1 )
As far as punishing the parishioners, that's how it works. The ground always shakes when the elephants walk. The ground shook for years when that jerk was raping and abusing children, now the shoe is on the other foot. Boo hoo freakin' hoo.
Penn State did not choose this path. a single offender and a small group, a very small group of conspirators, choose to cover this; ot was NOT the school that choose that course of action, or inaction.
Ture, if a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired even if it 2:00AM and he is sleep. Maybe some of his staff go with him but not the entire crew; not the entire ship..
I don't have once ounce of sympathy for the conspirators or the offender; may they rot in hell.. However, the NCAA di not fine the conspirators nor the offender. it fined the ship and it's crew $30 million.
and people are making excuses & justifying for this over reaction
sad
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Ture, if a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired even if it 2:00AM and he is sleep. Maybe some of his staff go with him but not the entire crew; not the entire ship..
I don't have once ounce of sympathy for the conspirators or the offender; may they rot in hell.. However, the NCAA di not fine the conspirators nor the offender. it fined the ship and it's crew $30 million.
and people are making excuses & justifying for this over reaction
sad
griff
"We has met the enemy and he is us" [Pogo]
Griff, of course Penn State chose their path. Joe Paterno was Penn State. He had power and control over the university that will likely never be seen again. It was his conversation with athletic director Tim Curley that changed the whole course of the Sandusky disclosure followed by a 14 year cover up.
Regarding the conspirators, they will all face criminal charges and will end up experiencing much more severe penalties than fines.
Regarding the conspirators, they will all face criminal charges and will end up experiencing much more severe penalties than fines.
But who is going to pay the $30 million fine?? Certainly not Joe, nor any of his staff.
Joe did have power, in retrospect too much power @ Penn State, BUT HE WAS NOT PENN STATE.
Joe is gone and his staff is gone but Penn State is still there with a $30 million debt
I don't see the Pope laying a $30 million fine on that church in Philly.
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Joe did have power, in retrospect too much power @ Penn State, BUT HE WAS NOT PENN STATE.
Joe is gone and his staff is gone but Penn State is still there with a $30 million debt
I don't see the Pope laying a $30 million fine on that church in Philly.
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[quote="griff"]But who is going to pay the $30 million fine?? Certainly not Joe, nor any of his staff.
Joe did have power, in retrospect too much power @ Penn State, BUT HE WAS NOT PENN STATE.
Joe is gone and his staff is gone but Penn State is still there with a $30 million debt
I don't see the Pope laying a $30 million fine on that church in Philly.
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Maybe that is an issue of lack of accountability for the Pope. If one offender or group of offender's gets away with something, does that mean they all should?
Joe did have power, in retrospect too much power @ Penn State, BUT HE WAS NOT PENN STATE.
Joe is gone and his staff is gone but Penn State is still there with a $30 million debt
I don't see the Pope laying a $30 million fine on that church in Philly.
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Maybe that is an issue of lack of accountability for the Pope. If one offender or group of offender's gets away with something, does that mean they all should?
Griff wrote:
Joe was the biggest fund raiser at Penn State. Several high level administrators have stated and The Freeh report documents, anything of significance at Penn State went through Joe Paterno. He had a massive cult following in Happy Valley and to a degree still does. They erected a bigger than life statue in his honor. After Joe Paterno changed his support from turning Sandusky in to dealing with Sandusky in a "humane way" a coverup began that lasted over 14 years... What part of "Joe Paterno was Penn State" do you not understand?
Joe did have power, in retrospect too much power @ Penn State, BUT HE WAS NOT PENN STATE.
Joe was the biggest fund raiser at Penn State. Several high level administrators have stated and The Freeh report documents, anything of significance at Penn State went through Joe Paterno. He had a massive cult following in Happy Valley and to a degree still does. They erected a bigger than life statue in his honor. After Joe Paterno changed his support from turning Sandusky in to dealing with Sandusky in a "humane way" a coverup began that lasted over 14 years... What part of "Joe Paterno was Penn State" do you not understand?
If Paterno wanted someone fired, they were gone. If he wanted to get rid of a program, it melted away. He controlled Penn State. He knew about what was going on. Therefore, the University did, too. If he was ignoring it, so was Penn State itself. The Football program was worshiped at Penn State. It brought in gobs of money. It kept them able to have academic programs other universities didn't have the money for. Same with athletic programs. Football supported the whole joint.