Wow, people are bold

Karie · Postby **Karie** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:44 am

It just shows us how SICK people really are.

Someone should complain to equine.com about these ads...
They should be banned..... and ..well.. I wont say what else I want to do to them.. since I work for a police dept I better behave....

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:58 am

Karie wrote:They should be banned.

Um ... why?

There's nothing illegal (yet) about slaughter so just because it offends you, that doesn't mean the person shouldn't be allowed to post that in their ad.

A little less emotion please. I realize this is a hot topic, but really.

Karie · Postby **Karie** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:03 pm

lets just say that I am sure equine.com will get tons of complaints about this seller.. so they will remove the ads- just my guess.
They shouldn't be allowed to say ok for slaughter sale....
Just isn't a nice thing to even think about.... Too many people will get upset. Totally my opinion.. but believe me people will complain to them (and no it wont be me)

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:16 pm

Karie wrote:lets just say that I am sure equine.com will get tons of complaints about this seller.. so they will remove the ads- just my guess.
They shouldn't be allowed to say ok for slaughter sale....
Just isn't a nice thing to even think about.... Too many people will get upset. Totally my opinion.. but believe me people will complain to them (and no it wont be me)

Again ... TFB.

There is nothing illegal about it, there is NO REASON for them to pull the ad (other than it offends some people because they don't like the idea of slaughter ... which is stupid in its own right since these same people -- for the most part -- have no problem with cows/pig/sheep/et al. being slaughtered) and I'm sure they will catch hell from the seller if they do yank it.

For you to even suggest the ad be pulled just because it offends you is insane.

Be offended, but do not DARE suggest censorship of someone else's ad just because of your emotional stance on it.

onalimb · Postby **onalimb** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:32 pm

my guess is this ad was to push some one nice into buying her, they knew it would upset people, thats what they are playing on. Yes it would have been nicer to just list her for sale, then contact the slaughter house and check what they would give them for her. My guess is she probley would not sell since he has disclosed her health problems. hopefully he is counting on if they act heartless someone might take her sooner.

Lei Owen · Postby **Lei Owen** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:14 pm

You never know what will sell a horse.

There was a horse for sale on another board, very nicely bred, and not cheap. The seller posted the reason the horse was for sale was she needed the money to pay for a boob job. Sold in about 7 day's. Never know what sold the horse, the breeding, performance or the boob job. :lol:

TrueColours · Postby **TrueColours** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:56 am

Lei - I'd LOVE to see THAT ad! What board was it on?!

skeenan · Postby **skeenan** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:08 am

StealingKat wrote:You can find children cheap, you just go to 7-11 and start passing out Slurpees. Instant family No need to go through pregnancy.

I'll pass on the kids & stick to rescuing animals--I love my nieces & nephews, friend's kids & all, but I also don't have to be with them 24/7-- and because there's something about that bloodcurdling "kid scream" that makes my female repro organs curl around themselves in a knot... like when you're at the grocery store, or some other public place...

I truly believe it's a conspiracy when my friends say, "Oh, they're not so bad!" :roll:

We already have a list of reasons we've started on Why Animals Are Better Than Kids... but that's probably a topic for another post! :wink:

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:02 am

The ads are, well, stupid, because horses for slaughter right now are at 35 cents a pound. Unless those are draft horses, the sale prices are nearly double what the kill price is.

andy · Postby **andy** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:15 am

Sam wrote:Again ... TFB.

There is nothing illegal about it, there is NO REASON for them to pull the ad (other than it offends some people because they don't like the idea of slaughter ... which is stupid in its own right since these same people -- for the most part -- have no problem with cows/pig/sheep/et al. being slaughtered) and I'm sure they will catch hell from the seller if they do yank it.

For you to even suggest the ad be pulled just because it offends you is insane.

Be offended, but do not DARE suggest censorship of someone else's ad just because of your emotional stance on it.

Wow. Please flatter me by letting me know why "TFB" in this response was appropriate. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the acronym "TFB", and it's actually a respectful way to address an individual, in which case I apologize.

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:21 am

If you actually want to see if the owner is serious about entertaining slaughter offers, you could just pose as a middleman for a slaughterhouse.

BJ · Postby BJ » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:06 am

StealingKat wrote: Two kids for sale cheap. Noisy, they mess up the house and eat I didnt know that when I had them..... ,noone told me.....

(for those of you without a sense of humor the above child advertisement is a joke)

Actually Kat, there are way too many parents in the world (& mainly in this country) that ad would be right on target in describing.

Karie · Postby **Karie** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:38 am

Andy- I also was wondering what that meant.. Especially since it was Directed RIGHT at me. Like anything I said was that bad..
Whatever...
- Karie

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:42 am

Karie wrote:Andy- I also was wondering what that meant.. Especially since it was Directed RIGHT at me. Like anything I said was that bad..
Whatever...
- Karie

Um, NO, ma'am. If it had been directed right at you, I would have said "TFB, Karie".

It was aimed at the assertion that

Karie wrote:"They shouldn't be allowed to say ok for slaughter sale....
Just isn't a nice thing to even think about.... Too many people will get upset."

... which is an (ill-conceived and dangerous) idea held by many.

If I am directly addressing you, I will use your name, emphasize the word "you" or in some other fashion make it clear I am aiming my comments specifically at you. If I don't do any of the above, untwist your knickers and stop looking for a reason to be offended. Just because a person is quoted in a message, doesn't necessarily mean they personally are being addressed. It is far more likely that their IDEA/OPINION is being used as a starting point to make a generalized statement.

I am perfectly capable of seperating (and arguing against) an opinion without confusing that opinion with the person stating it. Most people online don't seem to be able to do the same and perceive any argument against their opinion to be a personal attack. Trust me, if I'm attacking you personally, you're going to know it.

BJ · Postby BJ » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:55 am

Karie wrote:It just shows us how SICK people really are.

Someone should complain to equine.com about these ads...
They should be banned..... and ..well.. I wont say what else I want to do to them.. since I work for a police dept I better behave....

Agree Karie. But I wouldn't ban the ads I would require they post a valid email address and phone number. I would require that all responses be in the open to. This 'HIDING' is what allows horse slaughter and irresponsible breeding and ownership to flourish.

This person/ad is the POSTER CHILD for the typical BREEDER/owner (of all horses) in this country. They take NO responsibility for that which THEY create, or what they destroy in getting their last ounce of use from the horse. But...at least this person is HONEST about it, instead of pretending they don't know what happens to all the unwanted horses people breed into being. I have to at least respect that.

For all the defenders of horse slaughter... :idea:

Since you are so supportive of it, why not work to devise a more humane way to slaughter horses :?:

Make money at that which you support. The captive bolt used in slaughter was designed for cattle, pigs, sheep and other SHORT NECKED animals :!:

Therefore, MANY horses (whose necks/brain stems are much longer) are still conscious when the machine hangs them upside down and their throats are slit, so they can bleed out to then be cut up by the saws. Of course, that is AFTER they have been forced to travel hundreds (sometimes thousands) of miles in rigs that don't allow them enough height or room to even hold their heads upright. No food or water on the trip...all the terror the chaos of it all creates... Some are trampled in the trucks...Only to then to meet such an undignified and often painful end.

No emotion. I think those that express impatience and disdain for those who cannot stomach the thought of horse slaughter ought to stand up and be proud of being IN FAVOR of slaughter and how it is carried out. Lets get rid of the GREY AREA so that we can't pretend it doesn't happen to so many of the horses bred and sold in this country. Those that are FOR horse slaughter also need to get busy working to provide more humane transport and to license those that make their living off of buying horses for slaughter. Since most of these animals had names and many were registered in some sport horse registry, there should be a record of the name and date a horse was sent to slaughter. If it is such a NECESSARY evil, lets be completely in the open about it.

Those that are against horse slaughter need to work to figure out how to provide for the horses that are unwanted and work to promote responsible breeding and ownership. They need to work to promote awareness among the unknowing public and among the head-in-the-sand industry participants And yes, they even need to work to come up with more humane ways to slaughter horses, UNTIL such time as this country actually makes people take responsibility for what they bring into this world, instead of expecting the rescue groups and animal lovers to carry all the weight.

Paraphrasing..."The soul of a nation is expressed in how the nation takes care of its innocent animals." (M. Ghandi) I'm sure that is way off the actual quote...but the point is the same.