Slewbe Jet - A dark palomino rather than a chestnut?

[summerhorse]

True but many palominos and buckskins are so dark they can be mistaken for bay/brown and chestnut. And since they are all registered as bay/brown and chestnut until very very recently there is no way to know by looking at a pedigree without a picture or knowledge of the horse. Most of the time we know the sires so they can usually be eliminated. But there are a TON of dams out there for which we have no pictures, no eye witnesses, nothing. So a palomino can seemingly pop up out of nowhere even if they have actually been there all along.

But that being said this guy doesn't look like one!

Still would like to know what Magnus Coloradus looks like. Hint, hint...

[hoof hearted]

Doesn't the Jockey Club have a color choice of Palomino?

No I don't think bays look at all like buckskin. There is a very distinct color difference. The color doesn't just pop up. If a horse really had the dilute gene one parent has to have the gene. If they have it, it will be expressed except if it is hidden by black.

[Sam]

Doesn't the Jockey Club have a color choice of Palomino?

Only as of about 5-10 years ago. Prior to that, all palominos were registered as "Chestnut"

No I don't think bays look at all like buckskin. There is a very distinct color difference. The color doesn't just pop up.

It does when the Jockey Club does NOT recognize "Buckskin" as a colour and all buckskins are registered as "Bay". To the laymen (or people who really just don't give a damn about colour), buckskin looks like a light bay and vis versa. Do a search on the stallion "Stagecoach". He LOOKS buckskin, and people go all crazy when they see him thinking he is, but he is in fact bay.

[Nerd]

...and in the same vein, there are loads of buckskins that look but for some minor subtleties like bays (more often seal brown).

Cream can hide on a black coat, but black is already quite rare in the TB. Grey might be more likely...

[Jorge]

The "Palomino" is now an official Jockey Club coat color. Not consistent with this assertion, the "Buckskin" coat color has not yet been accepted as such by the Jockey Club. We may agree or not, but unfortunately these are the facts.

[summerhorse]

There are some buckskins in here that would easily be mistaken for bay, seal browns hide buckskin even more effectively esp the ones so dark they have only a few tan hairs on their nose. And of course smokey blacks don't show the creme at all but can sure produce one. http://www.rainbowmorganhorseassoc.com/ ... kskin.html
I had some better ones that you'd SWEAR were bay or brown but have tested positive for buckskin but I can't find them, if I do I'll post them.

Go here and there is a sooty palomino that someone might call a golden chestnut: http://www.rainbowmorganhorseassoc.com/ ... omino.html

Grey has been known to hide a LOT of weird colors esp. if it isn't a preferred color, they can just keep them out of sight until the grey obliterates it!

[xfactor fan]

Does anyone from downunder know of palomino TB lines in your neck of the woods? I remember some discussion on the old board about this.

As for why the cream gene pops up, my guess is that it is in the gene pool, and there is some linkage with a modifier that darkens the coat color, making what would be palominos look like chestnuts, and buckskins look like bays.

Lets suppose that there is a regular cream gene lurking in the TB gene pool. But everybody knows that this is not a TB color. Pre-DNA such horses would be hidden, given away, knocked on the head, in any case not allowed to breed, as they were presumed to be the result of a fence jumper.

So over time the regular version of the gene (and chromosome) would be culled from the gene pool. Lets also suppose that a cross over event happened on the chromosome where cream lives, that brings a modifier that darkens the coat. Now this new chromosome doesn't get culled from the gene pool, but lurks around until yet another cross over event changes the chromosome and removes the dark modifier creating a new chromosome combination. And it is this chromosome that the modern golden palominos have.

It might be interesting to test a bunch of light colored TB's for the cream gene and see what shows up.

[Nessa]

Scroll down the page and see some palominos that don't look palomino, especially the third one down.
These are morgan not TBs, but I think it applies here as well.
http://www.mindspring.com/~morgans/notsilver.htm