Speaking of very rare unusual pedigrees: Post the rarest:

[fernhollow]

Which of these lines produced soundness?
Thank you.

[ak1]

What about Mokhieba, son of Damascus still standing in MD and isn't Linkage still standing in Canada?

Aaron's Concorde is another good call that has been mentioned.

[austique]

I had to bring this post back from the dead when I remembered a little mare we had named Cat Creek. Her linebreeding is fairly unusual at least to me (lots of crosses of Teddy).

[jellac]

austique - Of course I love that 5x5 sex balanced Djebel in your Cat Creek's pedigree.....

[jellac]

I thought this kind of rare - I just ran across an ad for a youngish mare by Drumalis(IRE) a tail maile descendant of Blenheim via Tumble Wind, Restless Wind, Windy City, etc. Apparently - per the entry this database - Drumalis was actively breeding until 2001.

Are there any active stallions tail male of Blenheim still about today?

[Gunter Prischl]

Looking for rare (or maybe even extinct) lines, is also one of my passions. My reason for doing this is to help to improve the thoroughbred.

It appears, that the main reason for certain sire-lines to become rare or even die out, is mainly due to the fact that people simply don't genetically match their mares to a compatible stallion. The resulting progeny has therefore little hope to make an impact on the track - therefore the sire is little used and his well-performed sons are quite often gelded.

Correct genetic performance matching can reverse this trend. The best known stallions are not necessarily the ones needed for improvement of a given mare's progeny.

To breed a Stakes Winner it is imperative that Sire and Dam are genetically compatible. Just study how Senatore Federico TESIO bred his outstanding horses. There is a reason why he is known as the "Wizard of Dormello".

If anybody has a mare who's sireline goes back to Hyperion, and her dam sireline to Phalaris - and the mare were to be bred to FRENCH SEVENTYFIVE - the resulting foal should have a good chance to make an impact on the track (even though a thorough pedigree check will have to be made first). FRENCH SEVENTYFIVE traces via AMBIORIX and TOURBILLON to the BYERLEY TURK - a line which has almost disappeared and yet is extremely important for the improvement of the thoroughbred.

In the US the corresponding lines would be something like NOHOLME II up top and any NEARCO lines (NASRULLAH, SECRETARIAT, SEATTLE SLEW, etc) as dam sirelines.

If anyone is interested, please let me know for a check-out of the pedigrees.

Gunter

[kimberley mine]

Which of these lines produced soundness?
Thank you.

Double Jay.

[ak1]

was thinking about this again and another stallion with unusual bloodlines and good race record is richter scale. very attractive looking horse in his pictures, though have never seen in person.

[mary syers]

kimberley mine,
Don't get me wrong, I've always loved Double Jay. Can you justify making him a source of soundness. I've always thought of him as a source of speed, but not necessarily soundness. Mary

[Shannon]

Okay, perhaps a dumb question, but what constitues rare?
And is this rare? I know it is not considered fashionable, and not really common that I have found.
My mare, Jackson's Joy. (i can't figure how to post a link )

Shannon

[austique]

My old mare Pinetree Princess had no inbreeding to Phalaris. Louis will like that

[kimberley mine]

kimberley mine,
Don't get me wrong, I've always loved Double Jay. Can you justify making him a source of soundness. I've always thought of him as a source of speed, but not necessarily soundness. Mary

The first thing I look at is the average number of starts per runner, and look how many have a "large" number of starts. In this case, I define large as >70. Double Jay had 42 starters over 70 starts, which, even in the 50s when runners were run back frequently, is high. He had 5 runners over 150 starts, which eliminates the Say Florida Sandy-style skewing of the mean.

Although Balladier ran only 5 outs (implying soundness issues), his dam, Broomshot, ran 126 times. That is probably where the longevity came from.

[mary syers]

Thankyou, I learned something about a horse I loved. Mary

[Keith]

Hi!

Backonbabyside is by Baby I Lied-Backonthebackside by Shipmate Sam. He is inbred 2x2 to Shipmate Sam. He won the Turf Distance Series Final S. on April 24 at Turf Paradise. Backonbabyside was bred in Montana and his sire won 1 race winning $1,809 but he is out of Backonthebackside who won a couple of lower level stakes races.

Keith

[gainesview]

two of the best abernant mares /herbager + 3 gen / pieces of eight + 3 /will not race enters stud 2006