OK what the heck is a bleeder???
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This is off the topic of IF Tbs should be on Lasix. Just if they need it: Sinus can be a biggie. My TB colt had been doing hillwork to condition him w/ his (event rider) trainer. Never bled. She is also an exercise rider at the track, so has seen her share. We were baffled and I was not too happy. On carefully going over him I found a small cut and bit of swelling on his forehead. The swelling and the nosebleed (slight trickle) went away about 3 days later and he has been fine since. A bonk on the head can do it!
Ben,
Sorry... the "little company" comment about AEGON was a joke. They are, in fact, one of the 5 largest in the world. They are a wonderful company and, in many ways, I miss working for them.
Among things they sponsor are the Dutch speed skating team and, I believe, a Dutch bicycling team. They also have a role in horse racing here in the United States. A division of AEGON, Monumental, supports the Preakness. The AEGON Turf Sprint is run on Kentucky Derby weekend at Churchill (for those of you from the Louisville area... AEGON purchased Providian about 7 years ago. Also, another division, Transamerica, sponsors some things on the West coast. In Europe, I believe the Scottish Equitable, another division, sponsors some racing.
Anyway, enough of my commercial for a company who I now compete with.
Thank you so much for the info on the rules concerning breeding stock. I may be in the minority, but I find it amazing that they have more stringent rules for mating to non-TB breds than TB's. I am not very familiar with the breeding rules for other breeds here in the states, but I am of the belief that the rules for TB's are as stringent, if not more so, than for any other breed.
Very, very interesting... and thanks again for providing us more international commentary. I always find it very, very interesting to hear from our Betina in Germany, our friends in the U.K., and of course, our Kiwi and Aussie friends. However, I am pretty certain they don't have such strict requirements... except perhaps in Germany, and unfortunately Bettina doesn't post often enough about such matters.
At some point, at some time in the future, we are going to have to make some changes to how we do things. It would be nice to have an international approach and consensus, however since we cannot even get two neighboring states to agree to something as simple as race day meds, I have a feeling nothing major will happen in my lifetime.
Speaking of the above... is it me, or does it seem some states are rather dull-witted and slow. If you were a racing official, don't you think you would be rather embarrassed for the press to be reporting that your state commission is just now getting around to discussing making the use of Milkshakes and EPO illegal.
"Hello... where have you been... I think even states without tracks have barred these practices." Don't tell me... you also make a practice of sending your split samples to the local junior high school, because they have that "dandy new microscope do-dad".
Sorry... the "little company" comment about AEGON was a joke. They are, in fact, one of the 5 largest in the world. They are a wonderful company and, in many ways, I miss working for them.
Among things they sponsor are the Dutch speed skating team and, I believe, a Dutch bicycling team. They also have a role in horse racing here in the United States. A division of AEGON, Monumental, supports the Preakness. The AEGON Turf Sprint is run on Kentucky Derby weekend at Churchill (for those of you from the Louisville area... AEGON purchased Providian about 7 years ago. Also, another division, Transamerica, sponsors some things on the West coast. In Europe, I believe the Scottish Equitable, another division, sponsors some racing.
Anyway, enough of my commercial for a company who I now compete with.
Thank you so much for the info on the rules concerning breeding stock. I may be in the minority, but I find it amazing that they have more stringent rules for mating to non-TB breds than TB's. I am not very familiar with the breeding rules for other breeds here in the states, but I am of the belief that the rules for TB's are as stringent, if not more so, than for any other breed.
Very, very interesting... and thanks again for providing us more international commentary. I always find it very, very interesting to hear from our Betina in Germany, our friends in the U.K., and of course, our Kiwi and Aussie friends. However, I am pretty certain they don't have such strict requirements... except perhaps in Germany, and unfortunately Bettina doesn't post often enough about such matters.
At some point, at some time in the future, we are going to have to make some changes to how we do things. It would be nice to have an international approach and consensus, however since we cannot even get two neighboring states to agree to something as simple as race day meds, I have a feeling nothing major will happen in my lifetime.
Speaking of the above... is it me, or does it seem some states are rather dull-witted and slow. If you were a racing official, don't you think you would be rather embarrassed for the press to be reporting that your state commission is just now getting around to discussing making the use of Milkshakes and EPO illegal.
"Hello... where have you been... I think even states without tracks have barred these practices." Don't tell me... you also make a practice of sending your split samples to the local junior high school, because they have that "dandy new microscope do-dad".KAL: Nope. The breeding requirements for non TBs is MUCH more stringent for many European based breeds. In Europe they are often called halfbreds, here in the US called warmbloods. Breeding 2 registered parents does not get you a registered foal. The sire must be inspected and approved, then the dam and then the foal. If the horse has any serious confo defects or moves poorly then they are not approved and may not be used for fully registered breeding stock. TBs can be approved for warmblood/halfbred breeding but rarely pass. I have been working on getting my TB stallion warmblood approved. He passed on his movement quality and jumping scores, but unfortunately got a score that was not high enough by one tenth of a point to pass his confo evaluation 
. Since that was because he was gangly and butt high during a growth spurt uglies phase (he is 3) he can be represented at a later date when more mature. If his confo score improves (I'm sure we can when not butt high!) he can be advanced to the regular registry. In addition, since he is listed BookII now (His foals can get a certificate of pedigree but not regular papers with them at the moment) he got a bunch of forms my vet has to fill out attesting he is not a bleeder, does not roar, has not had any corrective surgeries etc.
. Since that was because he was gangly and butt high during a growth spurt uglies phase (he is 3) he can be represented at a later date when more mature. If his confo score improves (I'm sure we can when not butt high!) he can be advanced to the regular registry. In addition, since he is listed BookII now (His foals can get a certificate of pedigree but not regular papers with them at the moment) he got a bunch of forms my vet has to fill out attesting he is not a bleeder, does not roar, has not had any corrective surgeries etc.
Kal.
Beiing an owner, of a racehorse. Simply means that you agree with
rules. And your signing for the rules that are stated.
As an owner myself I have accepted these terms.
The procedure:
Vets are taken the samples split them.
Sending one to newmarket, and one to the van Haringen institute.
The are specialised, in examanination examples.
No one else is having the opportunity for interfering.
When samples are found positive, a list is made what kind of forbidden
substances is found, one or more.
As forbidden substances are divided in different classes, depend on the
substances which are used.
The next thing is gooiing to happen , a hearing is set up.
And after hearing, a press document is set up, and published with the name of the trainer, the horse involved etc everything that belonged
to the case, and thats it.
In special case,w when it is becoming tricky, outside specialist are heared
This is most interestingly, because one of them is Professor Breuking,
someone with great knowledge, and highly respected.
Ben
Beiing an owner, of a racehorse. Simply means that you agree with
rules. And your signing for the rules that are stated.
As an owner myself I have accepted these terms.
The procedure:
Vets are taken the samples split them.
Sending one to newmarket, and one to the van Haringen institute.
The are specialised, in examanination examples.
No one else is having the opportunity for interfering.
When samples are found positive, a list is made what kind of forbidden
substances is found, one or more.
As forbidden substances are divided in different classes, depend on the
substances which are used.
The next thing is gooiing to happen , a hearing is set up.
And after hearing, a press document is set up, and published with the name of the trainer, the horse involved etc everything that belonged
to the case, and thats it.
In special case,w when it is becoming tricky, outside specialist are heared
This is most interestingly, because one of them is Professor Breuking,
someone with great knowledge, and highly respected.
Ben