Two year old sales should be retired

[Ill-bred]

No one who starts breezing a horse HARD, before they are actually two years old, which all 2yo sale horses do, is a "good horseman".

Your statement that ALL 2-yo-sale horses are squeezed HARD before they are actually two is simply not true. You're making a blanket statement that apparently is based on your own personal negative experience.

Who did you work with that soured you?

Do you think Eddie Woods, who trained Big Brown for the Keeneland two-year-old sale, is a bad horseman? I think he's an excellent horseman who doesn't train his horses particularly fast (Big Brown was about a second off the bullet at the April sale, not atypical for Eddie's horses)

Why was the derby dominated by two-year-old in training horses if the two-year-old sales ruin horses?

[Fireslam]

No one who starts breezing a horse HARD, before they are actually two years old, which all 2yo sale horses do, is a "good horseman".

They may know how to make a horse go fast a few times, and they may be able to look at yearlings and pick a group of 10, of which 3 or 4 will make it to the sale reasonably healthly.

But, they are not good horseman because they are willing to throw away about 70% of the horses they start with in order to get a few to the sale that can run good times.

I was in the two year old pinhooker game until my conscience wouldn't take it any more.

I am sorry for all the ones we hurt tring to make a buck.

Let's hope Adena Springs is the wave of the future.

You were obviously involved with a very stupid pinhooker, if you saw a 70% attrition rate. There isnt a pinhooker in the game who could stay in business if he lost 70% of his horses before the sales. I know a few pinhookers, and most get nearly all their horses to the sales, and if not, they sell them privately successfully.

If you think horses werent breezed hard, then you don't know the history of the breed very well. It used to be very commonplace to start two year olds in February and March. Many old training books talked of breezing yearlings in November. It is a stone cold fact that horses put into training early stand up better to the rigors of racing than those that are delayed in their training. I could give you a long list of stakes horses from the 40's, 50's and 60's who began their careers in the early spring of their 2 year old years.

[griff]

I believe the Maryland or New Bolton bucked shin study says breezing these 2 YOs for one or two furlongs is the way to build bone and prevent bucked shins.

I also read an article in The California Thoroughbred that claimed bucked shins had been eliminated with the new "short breeze" workouts recommended by the new Bolton buck shin study

If you are interested googel Buck shins or bucked shins and I believe the articlke from the california Thoroughbred comes uo first.

griff

[Ill-bred]

The top FIVE finishers in the Preakness went through the two-year-old sales:

Big Brown
Macho Again
Icabad Crane
Racecar Rhapsody
Stevil

[Barcaldine]

I just found this old thread while looking for something else.

It seems like a good time to revive this discussion. The first 2yo sales, believe it or not, start next month!

Since most of these postings are three years old what do you folks think about them now?

[jellac]

The top FIVE finishers in the Preakness went through the two-year-old sales:

Big Brown
Macho Again
Icabad Crane
Racecar Rhapsody
Stevil

Icabad Crane just placed in a stakes race at Santa Anita either the 31st or New Year's Day....so still competing and at a very high level.....

[Fireslam]

What sale is next month?

[tinners way]

I think the first sale this year is March 13-14, Ocala Select.