jockeys mutiny against Michael Gill

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Postby spex4me » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:08 pm

Holy S&^%...... :shock:
He's right he's not THE problem he's just someone wise enough to run tractor trailers through the loopholes that racing gives him and others like him!!!! One bad apple tossed but a helluva lot more to go... owners , trainers, riders.... and it's not just Penn imo.

Gill EJECTED from PENN NATIONAL:
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/breaking-news/55162
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Postby Shammy Davis » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:39 pm

DRF reports Gill is throwing in the towel and divesting himself of his racing stock.

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Postby wilf » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:34 pm

A thousand horses breath a sjgh of relief. Let's all chip in for a box of kleenex.

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Postby zinn21 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:08 pm

DRF reports Gill is throwing in the towel and divesting himself of his racing stock.


You wonder what kind of a guy is he? Think I read he lost his marriage over his racing business. Sounds like his whole world has gone south.

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Postby KBEquine » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:09 pm

. . . AND the PA Racing Commission bans Gill at Penn (but not at Philly)

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nation ... -Gill.aspx

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Postby IcouldbeU » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:18 am

wilf wrote:A thousand horses breath a sjgh of relief. Let's all chip in for a box of kleenex.


WHY? He is not the only one running hurt horses and he will probably just sell the ones he has to someone else so they can run them. I don't honestly see how pushing him out of racing is going to help horses while as SPEX as correctly pointed out, Gill is not the only problem. It needs to start with the officials at the track. As I said before, wagering on these races means that they need to be scrutinized more closely and sore horses not run. Racing officials need to step up or lose their jobs no matter what their connections are.

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Postby Shammy Davis » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:15 am

icouldbeu posted:
WHY?


When the jockeys start balking at riding an owner or trainer's horses, there is something seriously wrong.

I can't think of another incidence where jockeys, in total at Penn National, refused to ride for reasons other than track conditions.

You are right. There are other trainers and owners who are probably just getting by with their racing stock. I'm encouraged by the fact that Wilf, a owner/trainer, would place as much emphasis on the welfare of the racehorse.

Just maybe, the state Vets across NA will begin to take a closer look at the physical condition and health of horses that race. Not just for the health and well-being of the horse, but for the safety of all who handle them.

For a number of years I volunteered to do farriery and dentistry at local rescue facilities in our area. The neglect that you see is often horrific.

The success of claiming races is based on the abilities a horse to run to his particular class or form. It is not based on the fact that he is crippled or injured which I believe a number of trainers/owners have concluded is legal.

An injury, after it is healed, may reduce the proficiency of a horse to race at higher levels but hopefully it doesn't eliminate his ability to race at lower ranks w/o recurring injury. A good trainer or owner needs to be aware that a horse should have fully recovered from a previous injury prior to racing again Some get by with putting injured horses in races because veterinarians either don't report the issues or they are not checked by the barn vet or state Vet prior to racing.

The safety of all concerned is what is important, but if the Michael Gill's of racing continue to marginalize the rules, racing is going to have more problems than just a bad economy.

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Postby IcouldbeU » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:20 am

I agree when Jockeys refuse to ride something is terribly amiss BUT I still think banning Gill is just a bandaid on the problem and not a solution. I have seen on numerous message boards where people are thrilled that he is getting out of racing. Its not going to help the horses one bit. There will always be another person to fill his spot, maybe not with so many horses at once so that it is noticable but banning Gill does NOTHING to help the industry.

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Postby Des » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:59 am

I am in agreement, some people here are acting as if Gill is the only person running sore horses. Personally I think there is a lot of grudge, due to the fact he was winning a lot of races. Don't get me wrong, I am not in agreement with some of the things and the vast improvement on some of his horses, BUT we just can't single out one individual..Lets call them all out..... Who is next

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Postby Shammy Davis » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:39 am

I agree w/both DES and IcouldbeU that banning Gill is a band aid approach. This issue has broader consequences. It is ashame that he has been singled out. He has made a great many enemies in racing.

I met Michael Gill some years back at seminar in MD. He is a likeable guy. He is very intelligent and well informed. I also think he is a complusive character who marches to the beat of his drum and that has been very successful for him.

That being said, the jockeys at Penn National don't appear to like how he plays his drum.

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Postby Sysonby » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:04 pm

The message boards I've read seem to be full of people who think that Gill is just going to "give away" $10-20,000 horses and they are going to be retired or offered on Canter or something. It wouldn't surprise me if the many if not the majority of his stock are viable racehorses that end up in an overnight somewhere the same month that Gill sells them.

So if the jockeys boycotted these horses with Gill heading the stable do they also boycott them when someone else enters them? Are these horses just blackballed because they were once owned by Gill or do the "unsafe" runners become OK to race with someone else's silks attached to them?

It will be interesting to see what shakes out from all of this.

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Postby Jessi P » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:03 pm

Good point, Sysonby. It will be interesting to see how his horses perform for someone else. I wonder if anyone has a list of his racehorses so we can follow them? I know he has one in tonight, "Another Joey" - who is from my broodmare's female family, so I have him on my stable mail. Of course, of the 10 horses in the race, only 3 have jockeys listed - Jose Baez is on Gill's horse.

I agree - these horses on the whole won't be sold off for peanuts, I don't think - many of them are too valuable to just give away if they are indeed still viable racehorses. I believe he will want to get as many as possible into racing homes to show that there is nothing wrong with them. I think the very worst of the lot (the sorest/lamest) might be euthanized - just a feeling I have, I hope I am wrong.
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Postby majxmom » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:33 pm

Open Letter to Mr Gill:

Why not take up auto racing when you sell off all of your stock? You can still enjoy a contest of speed, cheating is slyly encouraged, one car will cost the same as your whole stable, and if you amputate a wheel after your car crashes, no one will care. More importantly, we will not have to put up with your sorry ass any more. I've been around this game a while, and I can state positively that I have never seen anyone as persona non grata as you are. Begone!
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Postby spex4me » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:30 pm

maxjmom-
agreed except can we say to Gill and "the like"...... because there are many many many more out there like him. He is just the shark in the ocean , there's still far too many piranha left swimming.
Personally I think the trainer(s) bears just as much responsibilty, and Penn should be in the cauldron for turning blind eyes toward Delahoussaye. And then lest I not forget the other owners who keep horses with either of them (Adamo), you think those horses are there because they are valued beyond the money they might earn?
But also I hope this whole fiasco highlights every person out there that has had repeated bad tests. I am not going to debate the occasional bad test, as weird stuff does happen sometimes so I will give benefit of the doubt, but there are tons of BIG names with multiple infractions. But that doesn't matter to the laughable fines imposed for violations. Plus heck maybe that's the stuff you have to do to win an Eclipse Award.
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Postby wilf » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:07 pm

It's quite difficult,actually saddling up a horse and having it break down catastrophically in a race! It does not happen very often to be honest but strangely enough the usual suspects are often found at the funeral. Gill has a knack for finding trainers that push the limit of a horse's tolerance and the results are there for all to see. I don't know why people do this to be honest,even if they treat the game as a business ,do these folks not look in the mirror and ask themselves why? Is it all about economics or ego or both? Whatever it is then the biggest loser is the horse and with human nature being what it is then this state of affairs will continue as long as people refuse to take a stand. Several years ago Gill was running riot in Maryland and horses were dropping like flies but the Commission looked the other way and the track did nothing as Laurel in winter is a litany of short fields and boring racing and Gill had made himself indispensible. Bad things happen when good men do nothing and I am sick of other posters telling me that he is not the only one out there pushing the envelope. Root out the others and shame them! I do it at each track I race at when I see inhumane treatment and if it rubs a "friend" the wrong way then tough luck. If any action we take or words we utter make horsemen think twice about blocking fractures or over usage of steroids and epogen then it serves to improve the sport and the public's view of it. God knows we need a positive influence right now!