The Triple Crowning Achievement

Mali · Postby **Mali** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:39 pm

Coaltown wrote:I do agree that quantity vs. quality can be debated I am just waiting for someone to give me examples of how bad this crop is compared to other TC winners crops. Other than Affirmed's I don't see why anyone would argue it and if they wanted to they should provide examples.

I know what you're saying. To me, when you're discussing the TC, what the crop does as 4 yo's and older has no baring on my opinion of the quality of the crop during the TC run.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:40 pm

Fact, Mali. And Coal, don't you love the trip Secretariat got in that first start as well as it was likely a little too short.
In all honesty, the display of brilliance Secretariat put on in the Belmont will never be equalled. Regardless of time. He just rolled and kept on going. destroyng the competition, and he was never asked. And that's only part of why he is still brilliant!

Coaltown · Postby **Coaltown** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:44 pm

I have no problem whatsoever with people that want to withhold judgement of how good BB is, that is everyone's right. We are currently in June of this crops 3YO year and to declare it weak this early would be way too premature. I would love nothing more than to see BB meet Curlin in the BC Classic but what will everyone's opinion be if Col. John wins the Pacific Classic this year beating older horses. Will you then change your mind about the strength of this crop. You can go through any 3yo crop and it would not be fair to judge the entire crop on what they had done by June of their 3YO year and that alone.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:45 pm

LOL Col John is not winning the Pac Classic... hmmm though it might be (personal) good watching... :twisted:

Mali · Postby **Mali** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:50 pm

Coaltown wrote:I have no problem whatsoever with people that want to withhold judgement of how good BB is, that is everyone's right. We are currently in June of this crops 3YO year and to declare it weak this early would be way too premature. I would love nothing more than to see BB meet Curlin in the BC Classic but what will everyone's opinion be if Col. John wins the Pacific Classic this year beating older horses. Will you then change your mind about the strength of this crop. You can go through any 3yo crop and it would not be fair to judge the entire crop on what they had done by June of their 3YO year and that alone.

I would have a hard time swallowing that Col. John was a horse worth mentioning as a horse BB beat if all he ever wins on is synthetics. Just me though... the Tiznow's love it which is why he was an automatic throw out for me in the Derby.

But again, I know the point you're making and opinions should evolve with new information. But it should work on both sides.

Coaltown · Postby **Coaltown** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:57 pm

Tuc you are more than entitled to your own opinion all I would like to see happen is those who are saying that this is a weak crop of 3YOs, give me an example or a reason why this is such a weak crop. Many have said the the crop is a cut below but no one has said why or given any exmaples.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:24 pm

Col John is an example. A cut below also. Maybe steps up on synthetics. Dirt still remains a question to date. Though he did no have the greatest of trips in the Derby. Same with several. AND their connections decided not to beat up on a decent horse and pull the plug.. it's a long year. Ending on a synthetic... good for some, a question for others...

As well advertised pre Derby there were questions in regards to the California contingent that had not run on dirt. I in my haste was sort of "excited" about the Cal horses thinking several horses had shipped off of it to dirt with a fair bit of success.
Eight Belles had a rough trip and was second best. And yet the best of 18 other horses. A shame she suffered the sad ending she did.
Then the Preakness. Enter the second string. Of course BB romped, Eight Belles would have as well.
Now comes the Belmont, enter the odd repeat contender, and the odd import and hey hey, a maiden!! Casino Drive's connections gave themselves a valid "out" come tomorrow whether they do or do not run. God knows a barely 2 minute lick half mile in 57 could stress a sound, clearly superior, and drug free competetor. The one horse people are giving credence to. No matter what they do they have an out!
BB's feet are not great. If it was one foot, not a huge deal, but after this race in all likeliness he will have no feet to stand on, win, loose or draw. Chances are he is retired as he crosses the wire. So as to whether he can compete against older.. it will more than likely never happen.

Coaltown · Postby **Coaltown** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:28 pm

Tuc, all your points are valid with the exception of Eight Belles, she was really never touched in the Derby. But all you did was break down this crop. In order to call this crop weak you have to compare it to other crops which to this point you and the ones that share your opinion have yet to do.

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:29 pm

Mali, Coaltown, both of you appear to be somewhat knowledgeable about horseracing. Why don't both of you give the group a Readers Digest version of your bio. I find it interesting that people join the group but never fill out the profile info. I have enjoyed both of your comments and thoughts but I'm more intrigued with who you are and where you came from and how did you land here. Nothing real personal but just a bit of insight for the curious.

Thanks,
Larrygene

Mali · Postby **Mali** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:33 pm

Not that anyone should have to validate their opinion but I'm a breeder, owner, writer and business owner.

I'm a 3rd generation owner/breeder in my family and horse racing is my one true passion and path in life.

I'm currently managing my family's North American horses and interests.

Is that enough insight? :wink:

larrygene · Postby **larrygene** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:37 pm

mali no one asked you to validate your opinion. Just abit of insight!! :wink:

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:39 pm

Coaltown wrote:Tuc, all your points are valid with the exception of Eight Belles, she was really never touched in the Derby. But all you did was break down this crop. In order to call this crop weak you have to compare it to other crops which to this point you and the ones that share your opinion have yet to do.

She didn't have a clean trip. I stand by that.
This crop as compared to others=not good enough!

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:41 pm

Mali wrote:Not that anyone should have to validate their opinion but I'm a breeder, owner, writer and business owner.

I'm a 3rd generation owner/breeder in my family and horse racing is my one true passion and path in life.

I'm currently managing my family's North American horses and interests.

Is that enough insight?

Works for me, but I wasn't asking...LOL BTW it's my only passion in life as well! Glad to see I'm not the only crazy one!

Coaltown · Postby **Coaltown** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:41 pm

I'm sorry but tell me why it is not good enough. I welcome any examples

Mali · Postby **Mali** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:43 pm

I went through 8 years of Ivy League hell to do what I've done since I was old enough to walk. I'm definitely certifiable. :lol: