I've watched Pat Day all summer at Saratoga, Belmont, Keenland and Churchill and don't think he can finish a horse anymore. Jerry Bailey is taking all the "Married Men's Routes" and taking a lot of money.
I think Pat is one of the nicest people I've ever met, he's ridden for friends of mine. Jerry rode for a friend of mine and I don't like him in the least.
I think they both should quit.
Pat Day and Jerry Bailey, time to go ?
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I'm not so sure he is particularly holding back the horses, Sandi, but thinking of his own safety. Jerry has only been injured once in the last 8 years and has a tremendous fear of paralysis, which he has spoken of in interviews. He only goes when on a clear path, usually outside. He takes no risks to himself, ever, often at the detriment of the horses he rides and their owners and the betting public. So, is he altering the outcome of races, definitely so, I've seen many races in the past few years another jock would have gotten suspended for for lack of effort. His name and reputation are larger than life in New York and there is not much they can do at this point. I can put in into one word, selfish. I know of no jockey who likes him or calls him their friend.
Pat Day, on the other hand is very well liked and admired by everyone I know. I think Pat is just over-the-top. I'd love to see him continue in racing in some capacity, hopefully head of the Chaplaincy.
Pat Day, on the other hand is very well liked and admired by everyone I know. I think Pat is just over-the-top. I'd love to see him continue in racing in some capacity, hopefully head of the Chaplaincy.
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Pat Day is definitely NOT the same rider he was.
Obviously Joe has observed Pat Day at Saratoga, Belmont, Keeneland and Churchill this year and Joe wrote that he doesn't "think he can finish a horse anymore."
I believe the problems for Pat Day started to be evident at Gulfstream Park earlier this year. During that meet he attempted to get himself back into condition by taking limited numbers of mounts (subsequent to being sidelined for quite a while).
He did not appear to be able to do much more than gallop a horse around the track...and it started to become clear that his performances were often sub-par...he rarely gave even a "good" horse a worthy ride at any part of the race...not just finishing.
Pat Day certainly does not appear to have regained (and maintained) the level of fitness and conditioning necessary to compete at the highest level...and (based on his sub-par 2004) it may be reasonable for owners and trainers to not only question his conditioning, but also his confidence level, passion and commitment.
I would expect that Pat Day may be questioning his own future right now.
If he continues to ride like he has (on all but a few occasions this year) he is NOT worthy of star-billing any longer.
Maybe it's time to hang it up.
Bailey on the other hand still has all the tools...but if (and/or when) he loses the desire I expect he'll call it quits. He's a very bright guy and a true professional. He still rides to win and has the ability to do so.
Can't honestly say the same about Pat Day.
Respectfully
Pat Day is definitely NOT the same rider he was.
Obviously Joe has observed Pat Day at Saratoga, Belmont, Keeneland and Churchill this year and Joe wrote that he doesn't "think he can finish a horse anymore."
I believe the problems for Pat Day started to be evident at Gulfstream Park earlier this year. During that meet he attempted to get himself back into condition by taking limited numbers of mounts (subsequent to being sidelined for quite a while).
He did not appear to be able to do much more than gallop a horse around the track...and it started to become clear that his performances were often sub-par...he rarely gave even a "good" horse a worthy ride at any part of the race...not just finishing.
Pat Day certainly does not appear to have regained (and maintained) the level of fitness and conditioning necessary to compete at the highest level...and (based on his sub-par 2004) it may be reasonable for owners and trainers to not only question his conditioning, but also his confidence level, passion and commitment.
I would expect that Pat Day may be questioning his own future right now.
If he continues to ride like he has (on all but a few occasions this year) he is NOT worthy of star-billing any longer.
Maybe it's time to hang it up.
Bailey on the other hand still has all the tools...but if (and/or when) he loses the desire I expect he'll call it quits. He's a very bright guy and a true professional. He still rides to win and has the ability to do so.
Can't honestly say the same about Pat Day.
Respectfully
Pat Day hasn't ridden regularly at Oaklawn in years. Years ago is was the leading rider at Oaklawn year after year after year but he moved his tack probably 10 years ago and only comes in for very big races. When he was hot at Oaklawn you had better not bet against him. If you ever saw him on a long shot you needed to bet the farm.
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Pat was past it a while back, I was in College in USA from 1994 to 1998 and man did I lose a lot of cash following him. He seems to wait far to long on his horses when he wins it lokks good and when he loses he looks awful. Easy Goer (if my memory serves me correct) V/S Sunday Silence, Pat screwed up almost every time that Sunday Silence beat Easy Goer.
Phooey. Easy Goer had bad forelegs and couldn't accelerate on the turn as Sunday Silence could; he had to wait until he was straightened away to kick in the afterburners. That's why he favored Belmont so greatly; those sweeping turns on the mile and a half oval put a lot less strain on his forelegs and let him get the momentum going earlier. I remember watching the BC Classic and Day wasn't waiting; Easy simply couldn't give it to him on the turn, which is where Sunday spurted away from him. By the time Easy got his coordination together in the straightaway and started really running, it was just a little too late. As for the Derby, Easy hated the slop (a tendency inherited from his dam and illustrated in the previous year's BC Juvenile) and simply didn't fire his best shot. If you want to blame the Preakness on Day, go ahead, but it was some horse race.
Far as the rest of the careers go, that's a matter of opinion. I'll figure both jocks are washed up when the top trainers quit giving them mounts.
Far as the rest of the careers go, that's a matter of opinion. I'll figure both jocks are washed up when the top trainers quit giving them mounts.
"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher...You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse." C. S. Lewis
I beg to differ, Mahubah. Pat Day recently said Easy Goer was the best horse he ever rode, that says alot considering he rode some "Horse of the Year" and many Eclipse award winners.
I saw Easy Goer in person many times and thought he was quite impressive. I think if Shug had it to do over again, he would have never had put Pat Day on the horse. He was unsure about Randy Romero at the time and Angel Cordero was over the top. Mike Smith was just too young if he was around (probably not).
In retrospect, Randy Romero would have been the best.
I saw Easy Goer in person many times and thought he was quite impressive. I think if Shug had it to do over again, he would have never had put Pat Day on the horse. He was unsure about Randy Romero at the time and Angel Cordero was over the top. Mike Smith was just too young if he was around (probably not).
In retrospect, Randy Romero would have been the best.
I believe Day was commenting on Easy's talent, not his conformation. He was a magnificent individual that filled the eye nicely, but he did have poor forelegs which he compensated for by his fluid motion. Take a look at a conformation shot of Will's Way and you'll see what Easy all too often passed on.
Interestingly, a review of Easy Goer's race record shows that he lost 4 of the 5 races he contested on one-mile ovals. (Three of those losses were, of course, to Sunday Silence). Of 15 starts at tracks with a circumference of 1-1/8 miles or greater (all, coincidentally, in NY), he lost only one, the Metropolitan Handicap, in which he finished third behind eventual HOY Criminal Type and champion sprinter Housebuster. He lost both races that he contested on off tracks and never really seemed to fire in either.
Personally, I always felt that Easy Goer had more sheer speed than Sunday Silence did and would probably have won a mile match down a straight chute. He did not have SS's burst of tactical speed, however -- the ability to switch gears almost immediately at asking -- and that was the difference in the BC Classic. The were both excellent racehorses, and I was very sorry to see both go down to injury only halfway through their four-year-old seasons.
Interestingly, a review of Easy Goer's race record shows that he lost 4 of the 5 races he contested on one-mile ovals. (Three of those losses were, of course, to Sunday Silence). Of 15 starts at tracks with a circumference of 1-1/8 miles or greater (all, coincidentally, in NY), he lost only one, the Metropolitan Handicap, in which he finished third behind eventual HOY Criminal Type and champion sprinter Housebuster. He lost both races that he contested on off tracks and never really seemed to fire in either.
Personally, I always felt that Easy Goer had more sheer speed than Sunday Silence did and would probably have won a mile match down a straight chute. He did not have SS's burst of tactical speed, however -- the ability to switch gears almost immediately at asking -- and that was the difference in the BC Classic. The were both excellent racehorses, and I was very sorry to see both go down to injury only halfway through their four-year-old seasons.
"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher...You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse." C. S. Lewis
If I remember right, I was at the derby when PDay had just won the first 5 legs of the pick six and was going into the derby on 49er. What a jinx he had going for himself, and 49ers owners, and the people that wanted to bet 49er that day. If Pat hadn't waited all "day", he would have won the pick six over Winning colors! Why would a jockey race five straight races before such an important race??? Frank
Go easy on these guys... they are incredible athletes and have to have a lot of nerve and brains to go with it...
Sure age is creeping up on all of us... I sure can't sit up in that crouched position and ride a controlled runaway... my long legs have to be hanging down at the sides...lol..
Just stop and consider... these two fly to a track... get on a horse they may never have seen before... and the trainer tells them to just ride the horse and go with what is developing in front of them... or even less... ride him like you own him... is the best one... lol...
When Bailey can win >$800,000 in one day like he did at the BC... he can ride one of mine anytime... and Pat Day may have some physical issues or is suffering from the luck of the draw due to a lot of younger jockeys showing up in the winners circle year by year...
I tip my hat to both of these guys and refuse to trade places with them.... I like sitting and whittling on this porch... laughing texas...
Sure age is creeping up on all of us... I sure can't sit up in that crouched position and ride a controlled runaway... my long legs have to be hanging down at the sides...lol..
Just stop and consider... these two fly to a track... get on a horse they may never have seen before... and the trainer tells them to just ride the horse and go with what is developing in front of them... or even less... ride him like you own him... is the best one... lol...
When Bailey can win >$800,000 in one day like he did at the BC... he can ride one of mine anytime... and Pat Day may have some physical issues or is suffering from the luck of the draw due to a lot of younger jockeys showing up in the winners circle year by year...
I tip my hat to both of these guys and refuse to trade places with them.... I like sitting and whittling on this porch... laughing texas...
I STARTED OUT WITH NOTHING...
AND STILL HAVE MOST OF IT...
AND STILL HAVE MOST OF IT...