Anyone have any idea what, exactly, this is?
Why is it given to a horse, how is it given to a horse, what is actually IN it, and what is it supposed to accomplish?
Thanks!
"Throat Shot"
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To the best of my knowledge few people do this.
But, it is usually dexamethasone (honestly I don't know if that's the real name for the drug... we just call it dex) or vetalog, basically anything meant to tighten things and be anti-inflammatory. What the vet does is inject 2-3 cc's into the trachea of the horse, and this is meant to keep the flaps from closing. It will usually keep the horse from having breathing problems. If the horse has a paralyzed flap it won't help, but a horse with a weak flap etc will benefit from it.
It is usually done with Lasix, but can be done as close as 2 hours.
But, it is usually dexamethasone (honestly I don't know if that's the real name for the drug... we just call it dex) or vetalog, basically anything meant to tighten things and be anti-inflammatory. What the vet does is inject 2-3 cc's into the trachea of the horse, and this is meant to keep the flaps from closing. It will usually keep the horse from having breathing problems. If the horse has a paralyzed flap it won't help, but a horse with a weak flap etc will benefit from it.
It is usually done with Lasix, but can be done as close as 2 hours.
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So, hypothetically, if one received a vet bill where both of one's horses were given this the day before every single race during an entire meet, and one of those horses had never had a breathing problem before, and the other horse just started racing during that meet and had given no indication that there would be a problem, one might smell a skunk?????
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Roguelet wrote:So, hypothetically, if one received a vet bill where both of one's horses were given this the day before every single race during an entire meet, and one of those horses had never had a breathing problem before, and the other horse just started racing during that meet and had given no indication that there would be a problem, one might smell a skunk?????
That, and I'd be testing the liver and kidney values of both of these horses, not to mention bone density and immune system values.
Read this excerpt from "Backyard Racehorse"
http://www.backyardracehorse.com/BYBook ... noth2.html
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So many of us are not aware of what is in medications we are giving our horses. I was not aware that SoluDeltaCortef*, Prednisone*, Vetalog*, Azium*, and Medicorten* are all corticosteroids. Since various medications are given persistently over long periods of time, it is not surprising that so many horses suffer the weakening of bone, suppression of normal hormonal function, and the lowering of the immune system. Minor colds and flues that normal horses should recover from in a week persist in these horses. Steroids suppress the symptoms and the horse keeps going. Then when lung problems do show up, they are more acute, because the horse has continued to perform when not well. Clenbuteral*, another steroid-like medication, again enables the horse to perform when he has lung problems and should be resting. Is there any wonder that there is more bleeding today? Horses are running with a false sense of health because of the potent qualities of the medications they are given.
Look at the list of brand names for medications and the explanation of what they are and what they do. Study your vet bills. Know what your horse is taking. "Something to make him feel good at the gate" is not an explanation.
Why is it that so many horses do not last more than one season?
Could there be something wrong with a training process that breaks down so many horses before they ever start one race?<<< [END EXCERPT]
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Before every race and the day before? Yes.. That isn't useful at all.
Sometimes it is given simply to help aid the horse, even if there isn't a breathing problem.. some trainers do use it all the time.
BJ- Please don't get on me about this.. I didn't exactly invent the procedure and was just answering the question that was asked.
Oh.. sometimes it is called a "throat spray" too.
But honestly, I don't think many people do it... If I were to count the trainers at the track I'm at now.. maybe 1/4 of them use it.
Sometimes it is given simply to help aid the horse, even if there isn't a breathing problem.. some trainers do use it all the time.
BJ- Please don't get on me about this.. I didn't exactly invent the procedure and was just answering the question that was asked.
Oh.. sometimes it is called a "throat spray" too.
But honestly, I don't think many people do it... If I were to count the trainers at the track I'm at now.. maybe 1/4 of them use it.
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Oh and as for that article... Clenbuterol is illegal to run on in most areas...
So you might want to realize that most racing commissions are TRYING their best to look out for the horse's well being.
At Beulah you can't run on Vetalog either by the way. Different in every area.
But you can run on Banamine.
So you might want to realize that most racing commissions are TRYING their best to look out for the horse's well being.
At Beulah you can't run on Vetalog either by the way. Different in every area.
But you can run on Banamine.
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The only thing that I have ever used that could be considered a throat shot is serapin. That is also called a vegetable block. I used it on a filly who displaces like crazy. It would not be adminstered the day before though, it has to be done close to the race. I really have no idea what they could have given a horse the day before that would be a throat shot. How did the horses run?
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BJ- Please don't get on me about this.. I didn't exactly invent the procedure and was just answering the question that was asked.
Don't think I've said anything to lead you to believe I'm "getting on you" about this.
I'm addressing Vetalog and its misuse. Not you "D".
Vetalog is a heavy duty drug. Should not be used with regularity at all, unless serious illness is present, and then, only when other balancing things can be done to protect immune system and other organs and bones, and NOT long term.
Any DECENT Vet would NOT give Vetalog in the manner described in "throat shot" and/or "throat spray". Vets that would, should be banned from racing
Trainers have no business prescribing it or recommending it at all, IMO.Laurierace wrote:I really have no idea what they could have given a horse the day before that would be a throat shot. How did the horses run?
Well, one horse only had 3 or 4 starts, and had this "throat shot" before each one, so I have nothing to compare it to. He hasn't done anything, but he also hasn't yet run at the distance that he needs and has had a few other issues, so the jury's still out on him.
As for the other one, I saw no real noticeable difference between this meet's races and previous meet's races.
Two further questions...
1.) If this is something that is typically done right before a race, and would be pointless to do the day before a race, would I be correct to assume that the specific drugs used in a throat shot, whether they be serapin, dex, or vetalog, move out of a horse's system very quickly?
2.) Would there be any drugs that sound like camphor or intal that might be used, and if so, what are the drug names (since I don't think I have them exactly right...) and how long would they stay in a horse's system?
You guys are helping me in a HUGE way with this, and I really appreciate it!
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Answers to your questions (I hope)
1) It is absolutely useless done the day before. It's like bute when you run on it, it "should" be not 100% effective within 24 hours.
So for the purpose of why the shot is used, 24 hours later it won't be nearly as effective and pretty much is a waste of money. Lasix will help flush it out quickly. I *think* if you drug tested a horse the day after a race when a horse was administered the shot correctly there would only be trace amounts, but I am really not sure. I'd have to ask my vet.
2) I don't have enough knowledge about the different types of drugs to say I don't think those drugs are used. I have always run my horses as "naturally" as possible unlike most trainers I have found that know more about drugs to use than the actual horse.
1) It is absolutely useless done the day before. It's like bute when you run on it, it "should" be not 100% effective within 24 hours.
So for the purpose of why the shot is used, 24 hours later it won't be nearly as effective and pretty much is a waste of money. Lasix will help flush it out quickly. I *think* if you drug tested a horse the day after a race when a horse was administered the shot correctly there would only be trace amounts, but I am really not sure. I'd have to ask my vet.
2) I don't have enough knowledge about the different types of drugs to say I don't think those drugs are used. I have always run my horses as "naturally" as possible unlike most trainers I have found that know more about drugs to use than the actual horse.
Racing and retraining.
Roguelet wrote:Laurierace wrote:I really have no idea what they could have given a horse the day before that would be a throat shot. How did the horses run?
Well, one horse only had 3 or 4 starts, and had this "throat shot" before each one, so I have nothing to compare it to. He hasn't done anything, but he also hasn't yet run at the distance that he needs and has had a few other issues, so the jury's still out on him.
As for the other one, I saw no real noticeable difference between this meet's races and previous meet's races.
Two further questions...
1.) If this is something that is typically done right before a race, and would be pointless to do the day before a race, would I be correct to assume that the specific drugs used in a throat shot, whether they be serapin, dex, or vetalog, move out of a horse's system very quickly?
2.) Would there be any drugs that sound like camphor or intal that might be used, and if so, what are the drug names (since I don't think I have them exactly right...) and how long would they stay in a horse's system?
You guys are helping me in a HUGE way with this, and I really appreciate it!
there is a very old human asthma drug named "Intal" that was given as an inhaler. The drug is "cromolyn sodium". Don't know if there is an injectable version or if it is used on animals.
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there is a very old human asthma drug named "Intal" that was given as an inhaler. The drug is "cromolyn sodium". Don't know if there is an injectable version or if it is used on animals.
In other words, IMO, this trainer is attempting to "milkshake" without getting caught. Either that, or he is treating the horse for Asthma, without telling the owner, the horse shouldn't be racing with such a condition.