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Some Food For Thought

Postby Shergar » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:37 pm

I'm going to go off on a late night rant and talk about what we as owner, trainers, and fans need to do to get people interested in horse racing.

My first point is a lot of peope complain about the coverage NBC, and now ESPN, of the breeders cup races. For the person that has knowledge of racing, their coverage seems pretty basic. One needs to keep in mind they are talking to the sports fan that generally has very little knowledge of horse racing.

As been mentioned before, I would like to see more of the horses in the paddock, post parade, etc. Unfortunately, the coverage of the BC, and TC races are geared towards watchers that want to watch what I call the, "Kleenex" or human interest stories. I reckon that is what the veiwing public wants to see, so be it. I for one, generally don't pay attention to what is being said leading up to the races. The one exception is when "Muttonchops" is on the air. I like to listen to what he has to say, not neccessarily for his insights, but for entertainment value.

Now on to the point I would really like to make about getting folks out to the races!! We should not rely on the NTRA, or any other orgs. to do the work for us.[i][u] How about WE, as owner, trainers, and fans work on getting people out to the track.

I strongly feel we need to get the public intimately involved in horse racing. Here are a few things I must ask of the people on this forum.

Do you discuss horse racing with friends, family and co-workers? Also do you talk about racing with anyone you might have a casual contact with? Such as a the bank teller cashing your check, the barista that pours your coffee, or anyone that you may come into a casual conversation with??

If you can get a persons interest in racing, seal the deal and invite them out to the races. Once you get them out to the races, don't just get them out there and then bury your face in the DRF and ignore them. Give them a tutorial on the PP's. If a Dumb S**t like me can make the PP's understandable to someone, you can too.

Get them started on making simple mutual bets to start. You can even fall own your sword like I have done seveal times and have them give you $20 to bet on, and tell them you will cover that $20 if they lose it. Hell, it is only a $20, and if you do your job right, you can turn that $20 into something bigger. Just put a fiver to place or show on a mortal lock and watch the excitement on their faces when you bring em back seven or eight bucks!! Not a big deal to a degenerate gambler like me, (or you :D ) but it is to a non horse player.

Now, as an owner, have you ever invited someone to the backside to get up close and personal with a horse you own? The look on a persons face when they are able to feed a mint, (especially a child) to a real race horse that they have seen run is priceless!!!! Of course, a well behaved child is better than some brat!!!

If you have a horse running, make darned good and sure you let your friends know. Do you know how exciting it is for someone to get their picture taken in the winners circle?? It is still exciting for me to get my pic taken with a winner. If after all these years I still get a tingle, what do you think it would mean to the newbie to get into the winners circle?

This has been a long rant for me, and I hope everyone will overlook my grammer and spelling errors. (I am too damned tired to proofread my comments)

I hope I havent ruffled to many feathers with my late night rant.

All the best,

Shergar

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Postby Barbaro06 » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:29 am

Shergar, you are spot on!

I took my sister to the Preakness this year and she had a blast. We have to work on her wagering skills, but I think she learned a valuable lesson on checking tickets! Now to work on the co-workers....

I was invited down to the winner's circle after the first race at Maryland Million Day. Even though I have been following horse racing for 29 years now...I swooned when I was standing in there. I got a great pic of the horse standing only a few feet from me. It rekindled all the reasons why I love the sport.

We can make it work, we have to rely on ourselves to make this sport thrive in this day and age!
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Perseveres with his heart
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Postby winds » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:26 am

I'm always talking about racing, and to the novice I never, NEVER talk about the negatives. I'm trying to get them interested in racing as a fan first and foremost. Except for those born into the business, we all started as fans and then the passion grew.

But I agree, WE need to do what we can to promote the sport. When a negative is in the papers, we need to show that steps are being taken to do away with the cheaters. We don't need to tell them that it's not enough in our eyes, you can't run until you learn to walk and that's what is starting to happen.

A grass roots effort is going to be the key.

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Re: Some Food For Thought

Postby Tucumcari » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:54 am

Do you discuss horse racing with friends, family and co-workers?

Yes, always.

Also do you talk about racing with anyone you might have a casual contact with? Such as a the bank teller cashing your check, the barista that pours your coffee, or anyone that you may come into a casual conversation with??

Yes, it is what I do and people are always interested in horses

If you can get a persons interest in racing, seal the deal and invite them out to the races. Once you get them out to the races, don't just get them out there and then bury your face in the DRF and ignore them. Give them a tutorial on the PP's. If a Dumb S**t like me can make the PP's understandable to someone, you can too.

I try, but sometimes it's just easier to give them a winner, even at a small price. Just to peak their interest and keep 'em coming back.



Now, as an owner, have you ever invited someone to the backside to get up close and personal with a horse you own? The look on a persons face when they are able to feed a mint, (especially a child) to a real race horse that they have seen run is priceless!!!! Of course, a well behaved child is better than some brat!!!

Yes,as stated people like the horses and feeding a carrot is a high light for some.

If you have a horse running, make darned good and sure you let your friends know. Do you know how exciting it is for someone to get their picture taken in the winners circle?? It is still exciting for me to get my pic taken with a winner. If after all these years I still get a tingle, what do you think it would mean to the newbie to get into the winners circle?

I always try even though it might not be appropriate.

This has been a long rant for me, and I hope everyone will overlook my grammer and spelling errors. (I am too damned tired to proofread my comments)

I hope I havent ruffled to many feathers with my late night rant.

All the best,

Who's feather's could you possibly ruffle with a great post like this?
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Postby hemphill » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:55 am

I organized a Breeders Cup handicapping contest for the ladies who work in an office I visit, and the woman who won hit FIVE winners. Because of the contest, they all said they had tuned in on Saturday to watch the races. I had given them the post times, so they did tune out between races. They loved the contest and the races, except for the loss of George Washington. Overall, it was a positive experience for them. By the way, none had ever watched a race on tv except for the Triple Crown, and none have ever attended a race or placed an actual bet.

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Postby madelyn » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:00 am

We have an annual Belmont Stakes party/cookout at the farm. This year it was a BIG party, and we had our FIRST annual Breeder's Cup party. We get a few horsey types mixed in with a big bunch of my husband's old school pals and other friends. They get to meet foals, yearlings, our stallion, mares, etc., and we do pools for betting, which are really fun for the non-handicappers. We also have the Daily Racing Form printed out and on-line betting for the more serious types. Lots of food and drink and talk horses all day.
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Postby yukidragon » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:13 am

All of the old timers that brought the horse racing industry to this point are gone,or retired.

The industry needs a new celebrity or a few of them.
When the media sees a celebrity they put their mug shot all over the screen.
If they would show some class about it an pan by them quickly an not paste them on the screen it might draw some interest.
Instead of driving them inside the clubhouse.
This sport needs icons or stars to carry it forward.
Nascar was carried by Pretty an then Earnhardt to Gordon.
If we want to grow as a sport.
Our big time major farms in KY. need to send family representatives to stand up an become icons of the sport to carry it forward.
A few stars mixed in wouldn't hurt either.
There is no one to look up to as a hero,icon,etc...
Our trainers can't keep their names out of the scandals long enough to carry the industry forward.

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Postby winds » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:21 am

Wow! You all don't just talk the talk, you walk the walk. Way to go!

I'm sure there are more out there that we don't know about, this is the way to get people interested. In this sport the actual contestants don't have lucrative contracts, or agents, all they look forward to is a nice shower, a massage and a quiet dinner alone after they compete. Maybe some peppermints, carrots and apples thrown in for good measure. Then a good night sleep and on to the next day.

They do what they do because they love to run.

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Postby Tucumcari » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:29 am

yukidragon wrote:All of the old timers that brought the horse racing industry to this point are gone,or retired.

The industry needs a new celebrity or a few of them.
When the media sees a celebrity they put their mug shot all over the screen.
If they would show some class about it an pan by them quickly an not paste them on the screen it might draw some interest.
Instead of driving them inside the clubhouse.
This sport needs icons or stars to carry it forward.
Nascar was carried by Pretty an then Earnhardt to Gordon.
If we want to grow as a sport.
Our big time major farms in KY. need to send family representatives to stand up an become icons of the sport to carry it forward.
A few stars mixed in wouldn't hurt either.
There is no one to look up to as a hero,icon,etc...
Our trainers can't keep their names out of the scandals long enough to carry the industry forward.


Well, I guess all we've got is Maven and myself.... :roll: :wink:
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Postby winds » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:46 am

I'm not in a position to have a farm party, don't have a farm. But throughout the years I have talked up racing. At my last job I had everyone interested in the TC and the Breeders Cup. Worked in the same room as the bosses so couldn't get any kind of betting thing going, but they did watch.

Always talking about the horses with waitresses, waiters and people around me when I go out to dinner. Even if a little seed is planted in their minds it could grow...........

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Postby Crystal » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:20 am

I had a KY derby party this year. I have had a KY derby party for the bast 3 years. I invite everyone, if they are interested in horses or not. They ome for the food and friends.
This years party was great. I put out a old saddletowel on the front gate, and had win pics, and little odds n ends everywhere in the house. Great covo pieces. Everyone came inside to watch a few undercard races, and we piled on the couch to watch the derby. Everyone got excited watching the stretch run.. Go Baby go!

Anways, I got a call from my family last night saying they all watched part of the B.C. on saturday.. continuing on my new tradition in my absence.

I also did a contest at my old job too.. We were divided into teams to sell weekly comission specials.. Each team named their own race horse. The contest was for the whole month, so we had a mile race. Each team could even bet fake money on their horses.
It got a lot of people really into it. My boss even did a call to post at the beginning of the contest.

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Postby winds » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:08 am

Ok, now I guess I'm going to have to get creative and have some kind of party or gambling thing starting with the TC next year. You all have shamed me.......... :cry:

I thought just talking passionately about racing and horses would help.

I think it's great what you all have done, keep up the good work. The more people we get thinking about and watching the races the better.

winds

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Postby Toccet02 » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:41 pm

I used to be a bit embarrassed that I liked racing, esp. because of the "girls like horses" stereotype. But I started talking about it to friends, and discovered that Louisa and Marilyn felt the same way, and wanted to go to Belmont with me whenever possible! Husband also is more into it, then I met Pat and Frances at work who also love the sport...and Tim the receptionist...
I found this forum, learned a lot and got more confident and before I knew it one of my horsey friends gifted me a share in two horses...went to KY with Louisa...brought my sister and 2 nieces to the track and they were favorably impressed.
In other words...it has been a real ripple effect and I've been able to share my enthusiasm with others, who now know much more than they did before, and like racing a whole lot more than they ever would have thought. And I've been able to benefit from the generosity of others more connected to the sport.
So don't be embarrassed like I was to yap about it to non horsey friends---I'm so glad I did.
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Postby winds » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:42 pm

YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!

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Postby Shergar » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:36 pm

Wow!

All the activities everyone described sounds like great things to introduce people to our wonderful sport. You have given me some ideas I can run with.

So many things that can be done to improve our sport, and getting more folks interested in horse racing isn't a cure all, but it sure is a good start.

Speaking of getting people interested in horse racing, I invited a co-worker to the races last summer. He brought his wife and six year old grand daughter out. His grand daughter is horse crazy she had a wonderful time at the track.

She wanted to buy me a horse for Christmas, but settled on drawing me a picture of a horse. Earlier this evening I stopped my my co-workers house for a few mintues and his grand daughter was there. I thanked her for the beautiful picture and told her that next year I hoped she could come out to the track and visit my horse.

Talk about some little eyes that really lit up!! It is the little things that plant the seeds of love for our noble sport of kings. Who knows that in 30 or so years she might be saddling a Ky. Derby winner.

All the best to everyone, Shergar

PS: I'm glad I didn't ruffle any feathers, as the intent of my post wasn't to point fingers at anyone My only intent was to provoke some thought as to what can I do to be a good ambassador to the sport of kings.