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Inbreeding

Postby madelyn » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:35 pm

I think this pedigree is a great example of INBREEDING, versus linebreeding :)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/bonjour+bonita
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Postby imnumberjuan » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:36 pm

was this planned? :shock:
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Postby vineyridge » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:40 pm

Are you sure they aren't Arabians?
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Postby Patuxet » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:52 pm

Sure -- Ribot and Hail To Reason -- two of the great Arabian stallions.

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Postby Sam » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:54 pm

Don't forget Winloc's Millie

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Postby Strategic Maneuver » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:05 pm

That much Ribot up close, don't ya know she's got a real "sweet disposition".

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Postby casallc » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:37 pm

I wouldn't mind having a broodmare bred that way but you're supposed to do it with superior individuals not the kind of horse they used. I agree about the Ribot - sounds like a recipe for a "junkyard horse". Was Michael Vick the breeder?

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Postby Sam » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:41 pm

Isn't Ribot the one who used to grab the beams in his stall with his teeth and hang? Or was that Nasrullah? And which one of them killed the goat (picked it up by its throat and threw it out the stall door)?

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Postby Strategic Maneuver » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:20 pm

I'm not sure, but my money would be on Ribot. I had a Filiberto mare that I bred back twice to stallions with Ribot in their lines. Both were the meanest sons******b**ches I ever had to handle.

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Postby habitat » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:07 pm

Sam wrote:Don't forget Winloc's Millie


high GSV eh!

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Postby louis finochio » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:33 pm

Bonjour Bonita was produced from a father daughter mating, her Sire Dont Nap descends from the sire line of Rock Sand, which is now extinct, but alive in tail-male.

The 4 crosses of Khaled, is from the Khaled branch of Hyperion, & this close inbreeding reflects why Bonjiur Bonita was unraced. BB progeny is not in the data bank, but would have done best when bred to the sons of Nasrullah, as Khaled had a bloodline affinity with Nasrullah, that is an outcross mating.
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Postby Mood Swings » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:00 pm

Did she have two heads? :shock:
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Postby Roger » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:58 pm

Breeding that close is one sure way to fix type, but usually you're a generation away from a runner. If the right individuals are mated, you can get something special. Look at the King Ranch's breeding programs. I would prefer to use two full brothers instead of the one stallion. One family of chickens that I know of was rooster on his daughters until it got down to 15/16's of the old rooster and his 15/16's offspring were great in the brood pen. It all boils down to breeding to the best and culling. I think that you can do much the same thing by inbreeding the traits that you like.