I am looking for Personal Opinions and comments on Auction $

Vindicated · Postby **Vindicated** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:16 am

This thread should be on the Sales Page-But I think it will get more attention here...

It was brought up on another thread, and I am very interested in what other peoples opinions are.

What do you consider a High Priced Sale Horse?
Not industry standard, because I don't think the industry actually has one.

I am actually very interested in everyones opinion here

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:42 am

In my opinion, with regard to weanlings and yearlings, a high priced sales horse is one that is sold for greater than four times the stud fee. Our own hpkingjr was the lucky seller of a "high priced" horse at FTKOCT when his Offlee Wild colt went for $140K.

For a broodmare, price is all relative to catalog page and production, and is SO subjective. Was $14 million a "high" price for Better Than Honor? The dam of TWO Belmont winners? In foal to a "big" stallion? Anyone have any ideas on broodmare prices?

LB · Postby LB » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:45 am

Very generally speaking, I would call a horse that sold for a million or more a "high priced sales horse".

Vindicated · Postby **Vindicated** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:51 am

But with Storm Cat's Stud fee @ $500,000 (prior to his pension)
A million for a Storm Cat is a steal....
Unless it's disfigured

Those of us who breed to sell (I hate the term) Please take a moment to explain what it takes to get a foal on the ground, raise it for a year, and then get it ready to go to the sale....and the sales commisions....
With less than 3x the stud fee ratio-Which is where I figured a minor profit of the breeder.

How off am I?

merse · Postby **merse** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:59 am

The cost to carry a mare, get the foal, raise the foal, consign it, etc. is pretty much the same cost whether your mare is worth $1,000 or $100,000. Setting a profit/no-profit factor above stud fee (i.e. 3 x SF) which is the general rule of thumb, has a very different profit margin between a $7,500 stud fee and a $15,000 stud fee.

The Country Life Farm has a couple of tools to make estimates. You plug in your stud fee and the program calculates the cost the foal would have to bring as a weanling, yearling, etc.. I think the expense figures need to be updated because I believe they are too low. The foaling date calculator is nice though.

Vindicated · Postby **Vindicated** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:16 pm

Pretty much right about foal costing the same to get on the ground regardless of Stud Fee...
With exceptions: the more expensive the horse, the greater the chance that animal is insured-so insurance premiums, also-bigger farms have bigger overhead-more staff, ect...
But...then you take into account people that "do it" themselves instead of paying.....When I worked at a breeding farm, it cost alot less to get the foals on the ground, grown up, and to the sales (regional) then it did too send mares out too foal, bring them home, then send them out again to be prepped for sales-
Outcomes were very much what expected but, but with better profit...