So do we think this is a scam?

Vindicated · Postby **Vindicated** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:04 am

http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-181525

Thoughts?

ireneinwa · Postby **ireneinwa** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:08 am

Why do you think it's a scam?/Earnings incorrect?

Hold Your Peace · Postby **Hold Your Peace** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:11 am

They're not going to get $75,000 for him but I figure it's a legitimate ad (and they probably know they won't get $75,000 for him).

HR LLC · Postby **HR LLC** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:27 am

I doubt they get 75k for a Pure Prize stallion prospect. However, there is a sucker born everyday...

LB · Postby LB » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:20 pm

It looks like a legitimate ad to me.

Vindicated · Postby **Vindicated** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:53 pm

Sorry, I did not clarify, I was in a hurry when I posted this

To me the add looked fishy, as the info is poorly written...and I don't know it just seems fishy...

cng · Postby **cng** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:35 am

The horse would never bring over $10K in a good sale. If there is a scam it would be upon anyone foolish enough to think about buying him. I hope they get their price but their chances of hitting the lottery are only slightly less.

AscotStud · Postby **AscotStud** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:08 am

A G3 winning son of a well bred stallion is worth more than $10k to foreign buyers and also some smaller regional markets, you would be surprised what some far lesser horses are bought for.

Where are these "good" sales you speak of, and are there "bad" sales for stallions?

cng · Postby **cng** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:45 am

AscotStud wrote:A G3 winning son of a well bred stallion is worth more than $10k to foreign buyers and also some smaller regional markets, you would be surprised what some far lesser horses are bought for.

Where are these "good" sales you speak of, and are there "bad" sales for stallions?

Nothing suprises me. I've sold lesser horses for more but it was to stupid people who had more money than knowledge in private deals. I'm correct in saying - in a good sale on his own merits he will not bring $10K. This horse would have trouble attracting enough mares to pay his way at that price. Most people see that but there's a sucker born every minute.

A good sale is a Keeneland or Fasig Tipton KY sale. Any sale would be a bad sale for this horse - why he's advertised and not going to auction.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:17 am

I think it is the wrong time of year for this horse to be sold for that price. Also I think that advertising him publicly at that price sets the wrong tone for a sale.

I know last winter, before the 1st of the year, there were breeders in Indiana SCRAMBLING to find GSW stallions to stand there. I know of one horse who sold into an IN breeder for something close to the price on this horse, who was not a Storm Cat or Mr. Prospector horse. But generally speaking, the folks who buy horses like that don't want the details or price publicly known. In my opinion.

This horse might not be able to attract mares in KY, but I think he CERTAINLY could in a smaller regional program. At a fee like $2500 he would only need 30 mares his first year to pay for himself.

AscotStud · Postby **AscotStud** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:51 pm

Nothing suprises me. I've sold lesser horses for more but it was to stupid people who had more money than knowledge in private deals. I'm correct in saying - in a good sale on his own merits he will not bring $10K. This horse would have trouble attracting enough mares to pay his way at that price. Most people see that but there's a sucker born every minute.

A good sale is a Keeneland or Fasig Tipton KY sale. Any sale would be a bad sale for this horse - why he's advertised and not going to auction.

OK chief...lesser horses sell for $20-40k at Keeneland November, pretty much the ONLY sale you would go shopping for a stallion if you want to buy on an open market. But hey if you are in the business of ripping people off that don't know any better good for you, enjoy the repeat business.

cng · Postby **cng** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:17 am

AscotStud wrote:
Nothing suprises me. I've sold lesser horses for more but it was to stupid people who had more money than knowledge in private deals. I'm correct in saying - in a good sale on his own merits he will not bring $10K. This horse would have trouble attracting enough mares to pay his way at that price. Most people see that but there's a sucker born every minute.

A good sale is a Keeneland or Fasig Tipton KY sale. Any sale would be a bad sale for this horse - why he's advertised and not going to auction.

OK chief...lesser horses sell for $20-40k at Keeneland November, pretty much the ONLY sale you would go shopping for a stallion if you want to buy on an open market. But hey if you are in the business of ripping people off that don't know any better good for you, enjoy the repeat business.

There is nothing wrong with getting the maximum dollar for a horse - you get maximum dollar from people who have more money than brains. I doubt you have ever told anyone they were paying too much for one of YOUR horses. BETTER horses sell for $20-40K at Keeneland. There is nothing special about this horse as a sire prospect - he was a better than average racehorse.

IcouldbeU · Postby **IcouldbeU** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:37 pm

[quote="cng
There is nothing wrong with getting the maximum dollar for a horse - you get maximum dollar from people who have more money than brains. [/quote]

Geesh, I hope I never find a horse of yours for sale that I truly like because you believe only idiots should buy your horses. I believe that people pay maximum dollar for horses that are worth it based on past performance, pedigree or future value. I think there are a few markets where as Madelyn said this horse could easily pay for himself in a season.

cng · Postby **cng** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:17 pm

IcouldbeU wrote:[quote="cng
There is nothing wrong with getting the maximum dollar for a horse - you get maximum dollar from people who have more money than brains.

Geesh, I hope I never find a horse of yours for sale that I truly like because you believe only idiots should buy your horses. I believe that people pay maximum dollar for horses that are worth it based on past performance, pedigree or future value. I think there are a few markets where as Madelyn said this horse could easily pay for himself in a season.[/quote]

You've never been in the breeding business before have you?