good horses getting "lost" in a big trainer's stab

[Toccet02]

How often does this actually happen? Does it happen unless one pushes the trainer? Or do the big trainers have enough assistants to mind the non graded stakes winners? I know of a horse who was supposed to train up to a race this week; had only one published workout in about 4 weeks, AFTER a dull effort that the trainer blamed on "not being in good enough condition". The race "didn't go", but the updates on the possible start were very late in coming. Experiences welcome.

[Sysonby]

Not only can you get lost, a small owner in a big stable may have get opportunities in the condition book that are shoved aside to cater to a bigger client.

[winds]

I agree totally.

winds

[ageecee]

Small owners always get pushed to the side. And that includes knowing when your horse will work, when it will run, etc, etc. You probably have to stay on top of things when your a small owner more than a big owner. Also depends on who the trainer is.

[Rachel Alexandra]

Big trainers are less likely to spend a lot of time on a late bloomer. They want to see results quickly and since they have more waiting in the wings, they are less likely to spend time on a horse that shows no promise early on.
Small owners are only hurting themselves being with a big trainer. Small owners are expendable to the big trainer and where they lose one they will pick up two.

[winds]

I managed a farm in NVA that had 2 stake horses with a trainer, and was one of the first owners for that trainer. But after training an eclipse award winner he got big and didn't pay attention to his smaller owners, even though they had stake horses. If I hadn't managed their careers, they wouldn't have done what they did. Though I did lose some battles regarding putting them in some races they did ok, but I had to fight for everything I wanted.

winds

[louis finochio]

John Sadler has 80 tbs at DM, 80 more at SA, we are the best of friends, over 30 years friendship. The help on the backstretch has changed over the years, from professional to non-professional.

JS has a few of his old pro help still there, that teach the novices how to put on a bandage etc. JS tbs that are stabled at SA, have won 9 races at DM.

JS is not a one size fits all trainer, if a tb is by Alphabet Soup, a late bloomer, JS will not burn it out a 2. JS will wait on those types of tbs, until they are mature to go on with them.

Thats why JS will always be among the leading trainers. An owner must select a trainer that fits his tb.

[reese]

I think Godolphin has this problem.
They often have "50 promising 2 -year olds".
If a horse has alot of potential, but "doesn't do well as one of a crowd" then the horse falls by the way side, and may never reach his potential. Some horses need "individual attention" in their training.

I recall reading about a SC foal named Hayabeb..a poster "blogged about him when he visited Taylor Made and saw him as a weanling, then a yearling. Said, "he was the boss of his little herd in the paddock and a perfect specimen". Feisty, self assured, and loved to race around his paddock.

Hayabeb was bought by one of the sheikhs and wisked off to Dubai (as a 2-yr old, I believe) He returned to the US and could only win a few lower level races.

There was no reason this horse with his pedigree... couldn't be a better racer. Maybe off to Dubai as one of 50/75 young horses, Hayabeb couldn't get with the program and flunked out.

For example, MTB and SB...anyone believe MTB would have had the career he has if he was with Pletcher or some other trainer with 200+ horses?

I think not only are smaller owners at the "mercy of SOME big training outfits, but I think some horses might be "stars" if they were with "low-profile barns'.