Jim and PETA

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:02 pm

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13258104

winds · Postby **winds** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:30 am

I hate PETA.

winds

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:42 pm

Low-frequency, high severity instances make for the best press and the worst resource allocation. PETA is using that for emotional manipulation--which is especially laughable given that none of these incidents have been of especially high severity.

On the day in Utah in 1999 where there was a non-fatal carriage incident (the most severe of the three), statistically there would have been a 35% chance that somebody died in a motor vehicle accident, and the probably that at least one person would have died in a MVA over a five-day period is 98.9%. (Poisson distribution, using L = 330/365 based on this document.)

Lest PETA try to use the possibility of an MVA-horse carriage incident, the horses are working on city streets in which cars are generally travelling at low speeds, and again, the incidents are very rare. By far and away the greatest threat to pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers is...other vehicle drivers. By PETA's logic, the use of motor vehicles around horses is cruel and inhumane, not to mention the threat to other users of the road such as cyclists and pedestrians. Shouldn't we ban the motor vehicles?

I HATE folks who use emotional manipulation in the face of logic.

Toccet02 · Postby **Toccet02** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:16 pm

I've been hit by bicycle messengers at least twice. THEY don't spook, they TRY to kill pedestrians. No one takes them off the streets . . . :lol:

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:29 pm

I dont know if anyone out there watches DIRTY JOBS with MIKE ROWE- hopefully I got his name right.
But there is an episode that he goes to a vacation island that doesnt allow vehicles just horse drawn carriages. But I cant think of the place, does anyone know what Im talking about.
karen

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:50 pm

I didn't see that episode, but it was probably Mackinac Island in Michigan.

http://www.mackinacisland.org/

foothillsequine · Postby **foothillsequine** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:12 am

Really? No vehicles (cars etc) at all? Just horses? I need to move there!

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:33 pm

I think what Im trying to get at, is that if PETA is so hysterical about horse drawn carriages in cities, why havent they visited there?
Karen

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:12 pm

I think that PETA will have a really hard time getting the Amish to give up their horse-drawn carriages... constitutional religious freedom, and all that.

foothillsequine · Postby **foothillsequine** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:33 pm

karenkarenn wrote:I think what Im trying to get at, is that if PETA is so hysterical about horse drawn carriages in cities, why havent they visited there?
Karen

Perhaps they don't allow bleeding hearts into their city.

We had a case here not long ago that PETA went into an uproar about. While it was rather hot, an older horse dropped dead in the harness while hauling a wedding party in the downtown district. The mayor was/is apparently conducting a survey as to whether or not they should shut them down. I say shut down the mayor and PETA! They're all idiots..