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Question about watching racing on the internet:

Postby dray33 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:51 am

Quick hypothetical: I want to watch horse racing, say a US based race (Santa Anita, Belmont, Arlington, or any). I want to watch it for free, on the internet. Why can't I? Can I?

Sorry to sound stupid, I was wondering what the real "reasons" are. Maybe I am asking for something complex like simulcasting regulations regarding broadcast... but I was wondering if anyone could tell me.

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Postby dublino » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:56 am

http://www.youtube.com/user/partymanners

Usually have all the major races up within the hour or so, hey its not live but its free? :)

Also post old races G1 and so check it out its a good channel.

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Postby Sylvie Hebert » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:51 am

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Postby dray33 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:25 am

What I mean is, why isn't there a website that has all the horse races live, every track, every day, free?

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Postby madelyn » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:45 pm

You can watch through twinspires.com, or any other of the ADW sites. They are "free" once you have signed up and made a deposit.
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Postby majxmom » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:17 pm

dray33 wrote:What I mean is, why isn't there a website that has all the horse races live, every track, every day, free?


Try www.calracing.com. If you sign up for free, you can then log on and watch live races in CA, and you can watch race replays for many horses all over the country. It's not perfect, but it is the best thing going right now for free. It's not very intuitive, but once you figure it out, it covers a lot of races that you wouldn't really expect. I can watch all of the Delaware Park races a half-hour delayed by entering a name of a horse in the race.

You used to be able to watch every race for free on xpressbet.com, but they changed it so that you have to place any kind of a bet to watch. TVG won't even give you the race for a bet. You have to pay for a plan. So I assume that it is some kind of business decision about carrying the video that they feel they must be compensated, or at least that you won't watch on their site, and bet on somebody else's.
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Postby Mickey the Marcher » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:44 pm

There are any number of online betting portals where you can watch a good number of tracks (though no one has every track). Most will require a deposit to wager. However, www.youbet.net (remember, .net... not .com) is free to sign up. It streams certain tracks and some international tracks. It also has a two hour daily limit.
Then there are individual tracks that stream their racing, Keeneland, Monmouth and some other. Also Calracing streams California tracks.

But to answer your question, no there is no ONE site that you can go to and watch racing from every track for free. As to why that is, I imagine the last word in the previous sentence would make it a not worthwhile venture, unless you could find some other way of financing such a site.
Also the fact that you have competing entities like Magna and CDI owning a number of tracks each would complicate matters.

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Postby Mickey the Marcher » Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:47 pm

Also, some states will not allow you to sign up for wagering sites because of antiquated puritan laws.

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Postby zinn21 » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:45 am

For free? I don't think so. Most of the ADW sites are tied into wagering a certain amount of money. I joined YouBet.com and they gave me 90 days free before I needed to start wagering. CalRacing is free for California races.

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Postby Dave C » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:07 am

Perhaps you can turn it into a business opportunity dray. A recession is the best time to start a new business if you see a market that isn't being served.

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Postby dray33 » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:14 am

I agree one-billion percent Dave. My thinking here is there should be a site that is COMPLETELY FREE. Log on and watch them all, period. Any time, any place. On your iPod. Everywhere. Free.

Why not?

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Postby Dave C » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:19 am

Why not? The first rule of economics: there's no such thing as a free lunch. You have to find someone willing to pay the costs whether it be advertisers, sponsors, or customers. If you have a way to do that, then it works, if not then you are just running a public service out of your own pocket.

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Postby dray33 » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:35 am

It can work financially just using sponsorships and advertising. Who controls the signal and broadcasting? Is it the Jockey Club? Magna? Churchill?

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Postby Dave C » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:53 am

I believe each track owns the rights to their signal. However, I have also heard the story that the horsemen at that track own the rights to the signal. I think it depends on the jurisdiction as well as the horsemens contracts with probably a kicker for intra-national and international border issues concerning the potential for gaming (which can probably be circumvented with a disclaimer that viewing is for entertainment purposes only).

I think most tracks would be willing to make their signal available if it doesn't cost them anything in terms of equipment. There was talk earlier this year from one of the 'B' tracks in our jurisdiction about moving to an internet based simulcasting model as it would be much cheaper than a satellite feed. There were some issues regarding the technology and the quality of the signal. The disucussion seemed to conclude that eventually the internet would be used for signal distribution but the technology wasn't quite ready. That was for a high quality signal however, and what you seem to be talking about would not require that level of signal so the current technology may be adequate for what your thinking.

Time to talk to techs and lawyers to see if it is feasible.

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Postby Patuxet » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:49 pm

I've always assumed that among other things the powers that be at the National Thoroughbred Racing Association were charged with developing just this kind of project.

Come to think of it, just what do those suits at NTRA do to justify their existence and substantial salaries?