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Anyone seen this before?

Postby justinnich » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:52 am

Just look at the conditions for this race...something seem odd to you too?

Aqueduct - February 3, 2010
Race 1 - 12:30 PM Exacta, Trifecta, Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (1-3), Daily Double Wagers
STARTER HANDICAP $16,000
Purse $38,000. For Four Year Olds And Upward Grey Or Roan Horses Which Have Started For A Claiming Price Of $16,000 Or Less In 2007-10. Closed Wenesday, January 27, 2010 with 21 Nominations. One Mile. (Inner track)

I don't remember ever seeing a color restricted race like this, especially on a major circuit. Have I overlooked it in the past?

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Postby Derby Lyn » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:28 pm

LOL especially when the JC can't even get their colors right.

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Postby cewright » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:39 pm

Did the condition actually read
For Four Year Olds And Upward Grey Or Roan Horses
An interesting condition as there is no such thing as a 4 year old thoroughbred horse. At 4, males are either colts or geldings. 5 and up males are either horses or geldings. I wonder if the writer of the condition intended horse in the generic sense which would allow 4 yo colts and fillies as well as mares?

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Postby majxmom » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:53 pm

There was another track last year that had a day of odd races, and a race of greys was one of them. It was kind of fun. I think there was a race for horses over 10, etc.
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Postby justinnich » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:55 pm

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 4 is when they do become horses, no?

I copied/pasted the condition, though, so as you see it is how it was published.

It's all pretty bizarre to me.

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Postby Lucy » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:03 pm

Some tracks do races for greys every Halloween, and Calder had one as part of its 'extreme day'.

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Postby LB » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:41 pm

justinnich wrote:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 4 is when they do become horses, no?



yes, you're right.

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Postby Jessi P » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:53 pm

Delaware Park had gray races scheduled one or two times a year when I raced there, might still have them. ;) It was a really neat gimmick and fun to watch. We ran third in it one year with Mat Muck.
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Postby seahorse » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:54 pm

Yes it is for both sexes
Calder has them, quite fun to watch especially for the betters who bet on color of the horse my grandmother always bet on a grey in a race, like to see her bet on that race

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Postby cewright » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:03 pm

LB wrote:
justinnich wrote:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 4 is when they do become horses, no?



yes, you're right.


I disagree. For example, look at in race 1 at Aqueduct on 2/5.
http://www.equibase.com/static/entry/AQ ... A-EQB.html

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Postby Strategic Maneuver » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:30 pm

LB wrote:
justinnich wrote:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 4 is when they do become horses, no?



yes, you're right.


I always thought it was 5 for both sexes??

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Postby Jessi P » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:52 pm

I might be wrong but I have always thought age five is when they become horses and mares, for program purposes anyway.
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Postby oliverstoned » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:12 pm

Age 5 for sure, both sexes

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Postby zinn21 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:59 pm

I heard because this race was so successful they are going to write it back with one little extra condition. It reads:

Purse $38,000. For Four Year Olds And Upward Grey Or Roan Horses Which Have Started For A Claiming Price Of $16,000 Or Less In 2007-2010. One Mile. (Inner track)

Starters for a claiming price of $16,000 or less on Leap Year not considered.

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Postby wilf » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:14 pm

I have raced in claimers restricted to grey or roan horses at Fort Erie and it was described as the "Salt and Pepper" race. I am sure that the word "horses" in the condition book was more of a generic usage insofar that the race was for any horse within this unique colour parameter. Hopefully no one in the NAACP took offence. LOL!