Goldikova vs Zenyatta

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:10 am

Can anyone imagine if these two ladies ever locked horns? 20 grade/group 1 wins between them. That's better than any 3 or 4 males. I know goldikova is a miler, but who is the better horse? Goldikova has raced the boys more and beaten them twice in the BC. Zenyatta has made a mockery of the girls here in the states (except one) and has beaten the best in the BC classic. I would love the international appeal of these two meeting.

LB · Postby LB » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:04 pm

Which surface would they run on though?

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:15 pm

Let's just go a mile and a sixteenth on all weather surface. That's a little more than goldikova is great at and a little less than zenyatta excels.

Joltman · Postby **Joltman** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:57 pm

Great idea. Throw in an invite to Rachel Alexandra.

jm

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:25 pm

At a mile and sixteenth RA might win it. She would pass goldikova with about 200 yards to go and zenyatta would be closing like a freight train but RA would get the wire just in time to get the win. Of course zenyatta would pass her like she was sitting still after the wire

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:25 pm

NO!! What is the point? To start an argument?
Best American Race Mare-Zenyatta
Best American Dirt Filly- Rachel Alexandra
Best Turf Miler in the WORLD: Goldikova.
Who has beaten the most males regardless of distance and surface: Goldikova.

I love Goldikova.
(Love Zenyatta and Rachel too)
Can't we just leave it alone an root for all against the boys? :evil:

Daisy Jal Dastur · Postby **Daisy Jal Dastur** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:31 pm

LB wrote:Which surface would they run on though?

Honestly, I would LOVE to see Zenyetta on the turf! She's totally bred for it, being by Street Cry, out of a Kris S mare!

Goldie and Z going 1 1/16 miles on the Woodbine E.P. Taylor turf course - and throw RA into the mix, too - now THAT would be a horse race!!!

Worksoplad · Postby **Worksoplad** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:47 pm

Derby2004 wrote:At a mile and sixteenth RA might win it. She would pass goldikova with about 200 yards to go and zenyatta would be closing like a freight train but RA would get the wire just in time to get the win. Of course zenyatta would pass her like she was sitting still after the wire

Not necessarily. Goldikova wone against the boys at 1 1/8m last month.

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:50 pm

But would you race zenyatta like you would any European horse if you owned goldikova? No. You are going to put as much distance as you can between her and your horse as possible and hope her monster close is too late for a mile and sixteenth. I really would like the Europeans to chime in

diomed · Postby **diomed** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:51 pm

Daisy Jal Dastur wrote:
LB wrote:Which surface would they run on though?

Honestly, I would LOVE to see Zenyetta on the turf! She's totally bred for it, being by Street Cry, out of a Kris S mare!

Goldie and Z going 1 1/16 miles on the Woodbine E.P. Taylor turf course - and throw RA into the mix, too - now THAT would be a horse race!!!

About Zenyatta and turf; I so agree!!! She is probably a true Turf horse but has never tried it. Can you imagine her in the Arc? Oh, my!! That would be mindblowing...She is so bred for it.

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:16 pm

Other than the classic at 10f, zenyattas g1 races were 8.5 and 9 furlongs. So I think put goldi and z at woodbine at 8.5f and we are golden. But I don't think we will see goldi here for anything other than the BC. If the mosses for Jess Jackson and had z, they would take her to Europe to race her. Seeing how a RA and z race might not happen

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:11 pm

hi diomed

diomed wrote: ... Best American Race Mare-Zenyatta ...

Thats's a no brainer :idea:

; but (as far as I'm concerned) you're shortchanging Z with that accolade. There's no doubt (to my way of thinking) that Zenyatta is by far the Best American Racehorse...period; and that includes all fillies...all mares...all colts...all horses...all geldings...all ridglings...all anything

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diomed wrote:Can you imagine (Zenyatta) in the Arc?

Yes I can. Is it possible...YES; is it probable...likely NOT.

That said...I'd expect that Team Zenyatta will consider any/every Big-time possibility

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Best.

Respectfully

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:58 am

Appalling TV coverage by the BBC yesterday, claiming Goldikova the greatest mare of all time.

Zenyatta has done what no other mare has done the BC classic.
Plus when Goldikova met Zarkava she was put in her place.

Goldikova is racing and beating the same old horses a bit like Zenyatta was in CA until they have started to ship her around.

Zenyatta is much better than Goldikova, imho and a bit better than Rachel.

oliverstoned · Postby **oliverstoned** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:09 am

For all the negatives about Jess Jackson you got to admit had he owned Zenyatta she might not be undefeated, but she'd be in a lot more interesting races, and a trip to the Arc wouldn't be out of the question. I'd like to see these three girls go at it at 1 1/8 on the turf.

Sysonby · Postby **Sysonby** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:27 am

oliverstoned wrote:For all the negatives about Jess Jackson you got to admit had he owned Zenyatta she might not be undefeated, but she'd be in a lot more interesting races, and a trip to the Arc wouldn't be out of the question. I'd like to see these three girls go at it at 1 1/8 on the turf.

He talked about Curlin at the Arc--I didn't actually see him go through.

I guess I see things a little differently about how Jackson is bold and the Mosses timid with their respective horses especially this year. If you added up the actual mileage travelled, Zenyatta (California to Oaklawn to California) has Rachel (Louisiana to Churchill) beat and Zenyatta certainly has faced better horses doing more interesting things in 2010. Giving 9 pounds to St Trinians is no small feat and showed some intestinal fortitude. Racing history is full of great horses managed so that they would avoid that kind of spread if at all possible and that doesn't even take into account the seductive pull of keeping an unbeaten streak alive.

The so called fans who talk about Zenyatta as though she is Peppers Pride are being stubbornly idiotic IMO. In that streak, I saw a Breeders Cup Classic; a multiple defeat of another mare who won the Ladies Classic Life is Sweet; defeats of Ginger Punch, Cocoa Beach, Hystericalady, Music Note, Romance is Diane and Tough Tiz's Sis. Grade 1 winners all and all but two are millionaires so somewhere outside of Zenyatta's shadow they must have shown some talent.

I know that the introduction of synthetics has muddled things but for people who insist that you have to travel to be considered great, I suggest that they look at Personal Ensign's race record again. I see exactly 2 races outside of New York state and somehow I don't remember the travel thing being an issue.