Horseman becomes racehorse trainer

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Horseman becomes racehorse trainer

Postby Jean » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:16 am

Read this story. He is making traditional "trainers" look foolish by practising horsemanship plain and simple, won both Canadian Derby and the Distaff Sat.
www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/winners+ ... story.html

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Postby tbrace » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:29 am

If you have had horses with trainers for any length of time, you begin to see that many know lots about racing and the track, but are not really horseman.

Good for this guy!

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Postby zinn21 » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:01 am

Notice the little details in the article. Those little details make the difference.

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Re: Horseman becomes racehorse trainer

Postby TJ » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:12 am

Jean wrote:Read this story. He is making traditional "trainers" look foolish by practising horsemanship plain and simple, won both Canadian Derby and the Distaff Sat.
www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/winners+ ... story.html


Hi Jean,
Great article, thanks for posting it.....it is sad that so many people, that haven't got a clue, right away make accusations. It's always been like that in this business and it is just like he said.....jelousy. Yes you will find a bad seed, but it is usually found through testing and spying. But when there's nothing to be found, after all that they did to this couple....they should leave them alone. TJ

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Postby Shammy Davis » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:30 am

Great article. The "happy horse concept" makes trainers look very good.

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Postby madelyn » Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:05 am

I have always found that jealousy and insecurity go hand in hand. I have met quite a lot of people on the backside who profess to know "everything" about horses, thus proving that they are actually clueless. I am in constant amazement at the proliferation of ignorance, while enlightenment and innovation are excoriated as some kind of "cheating." The loudest mouth in the barn, trainer-wise, usually has the least informative things to say, and will gather a flock of like minded sycophants who will waste three hours each morning out-pounding each others' chests (figuratively) while one lone trainer sits quietly in his office reading the latest in vet and farrier developments for racehorses...
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Postby photofinish » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:36 pm

Great article. Wish the guy the best. Wonder how he "syringes" their leftover hay and grain to them, though?

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Postby Shannon » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:19 pm

Madelyn: Well said, and so true.
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Postby bdw0617 » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:36 pm

that is a great read.

I always thought that you know, i bet there is a lot of varying degrees of horsemanship int he back stretch. anyone can throw up a tack but that does not make them an equal horseman. It's something that is very subjective.
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Postby winds » Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:19 am

I like this guy. A happy horse is a horse that will train. Good for him! I hope more great things happen for this man and his lovely wife!

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Postby Joltman » Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:09 am

another success story of a Q horse guy who goes to TBs. Baffert and Lucas did the same. I suspect the latter have changed what they do though. Of course there are good and not so good QH guys too but for those who rely on horses for their livelihood know that things like keeping a horse content, taking care of feet, etc. is key.

any thoughts?

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Postby Dave C » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:48 am

The biggest problem is that once you have had success (ie Baffert, Lucas) it is very difficult to motivate yourself to do all the hard work that made you successful in the first place. No disrespect intended, but it is not jealousy that causes people to make accusations. The accusations are being made because it is psychologically far easier to accuse the other guy of cheating, than it is to admit to yourself and everyone else that he is just much better at your job than you are. If you accept that he is doing a better job, then you have to change. If you accuse him of cheating, then you can stay in your comfort zone and not change anything.

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Postby Jessi P » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:44 am

Very astute way of looking at it Dave. ;) Two thumbs up!
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Postby Shammy Davis » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:33 am

Madelyn posted:
I have always found that jealousy and insecurity go hand in hand. I have met quite a lot of people on the backside who profess to know "everything" about horses, thus proving that they are actually clueless. I am in constant amazement at the proliferation of ignorance, while enlightenment and innovation are excoriated as some kind of "cheating." The loudest mouth in the barn, trainer-wise, usually has the least informative things to say, and will gather a flock of like minded sycophants who will waste three hours each morning out-pounding each others' chests (figuratively) while one lone trainer sits quietly in his office reading the latest in vet and farrier developments for racehorses...


The backside has a life and personality all its own.

Recently, I was reading about Johnny Campo, the trainer of PLEASANT COLONY. Now there was a know it all, boisterous, loud mouth fellow. Apparently when he started out on the track as a hot walker, then groom, he couldn't keep a job because he was so beligerent and arrogant. Finally Eddie Neloy, who was training for Wheatley, took him on, but before he promoted Campo to be an assistant trainer, he made Johnny take the Dale Carnegie Course "How to win friends and affluence people." There were some comments about the fact that when Campo went out on his own, he had not retained much of what he learned.

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Postby Terrapin Flyer » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:43 pm

She's never heard of EPO, is an assistant trainer and was a jockey???