hunter/jumper producers?
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hunter/jumper producers?
Obviously some TBs are better racers and some are better at other endeavors. I would appreciate if someone could tell me some TBs that are known to produce better hunter/ jumpers than racehorses. Or are famous for it? TIA.
There's a great resource for just this sort of inquiry at the Thoroughbred Heritage website:
www.tbheritage.com Once there you'll have to navigate to find the specific webpage where they discuss and document this particular aspect of TB heritage but I found their index to be straight forward and easy to follow. It is one of the few - if not the only - site I've found that tracks both performances in flat racing and over the hurdles or brushes in documenting top performers of the breed and their pedigrees. I like that because I presume that a bloodline capable of producing an Olypic or Internationa show jumper standout can - when properly crossed - produce a superior runner as well.
There have also been several earlier threads at this site on this question and if you'll do a search on the word "jump" I think you'll find those and can read what has been offered on this subject before.
I have a particular passion around finding and researching information on the descendants of the Byerly Turk so take the balance of what I post with a grain of salt - I can neither claim to be totally unbiased nor can I claim to know anything about jumping first hand, from experience. I do think you will find that the Byerly Turk sirelines have frequently led to some of the great jumper breeding dynasties in the past....but they are few and far between to come by today...especially in N. America. (For active N.A. stallions of this bloodline take a look at Legal Jousting in Ontario, Eastern Memories in Seguin Texas, Gold Saga in either Oregon or Washington states on the west coast, French Seventyfive in Sanger, OK. and My Memoires in Colorado for active members of this sireline in N.A. Though standing as stallions for racing prospects I suspect that at least a few of these might make a terrific jumper when bred to the right mare.)
A QH stallion, Sonny's Hot Jazz who stands in Texas is bred with a B.T. bred dam(by Royal Chocolate) as his female foundation and he is a consistent sire of top drawer QH and Appendix QH H/Js. I have seen mention of Royal Chocolate in the pedigree of several successful dressage competitors/individuals testing for BM and stallion acceptance to WB registries. Royal Chocolate was an Ambiorix line stallion, successful on the track and moderately successful in the breeding shed. Ambiorix, a French bred B.T. descendant via Tourbillion, imported to the US where he raced and bred successfully, was also registered with one of the WB registries and four of his sons were so registered as well. THe sort of balance and balletic grace that derives form power thruough the back and hindquarters' engagement that results in successful testing for the WB registeries would suggest to me that this trait may also be associated with this branch of the B.T. family.
Hethersett, a different branch of the B.T. family has also been associated with some top flight jumpers/hurdlers in the past. One of his descendants just won a G-1 race in S. America to offer some hope of re-vitalizing that branch as a breeding option as well and there are still some active sons/grandsons of Hethersett available in Ireland, England, perhaps in France and in Australia/N.Z. too, I think.) Many of the B.T.'s descendant superior runners were as good or better at racing over hurdles as they were on the turf or flat and these individuals went on to establish well known "jumper" sirelines in Ireland and England, France during the late 1800's/1900's.
There is also a french based website, something about 'the blue horse' that is a great source of information and breeding information for various current jumper sires of international reputation - it presents information for both those that excel in producing hurdlers, i.e. horses that race over obstacles, and those that have contributed wheter in pure blood or cross-breeding to 'show' jumpers in Olympic/International competitions. If I can locate it I'll post as a f/u. IF you take a look at the pedigrees of the proven jumper sires on this site I think you will see which sirelines are contributing most consistently at a high level of competition today.
www.tbheritage.com Once there you'll have to navigate to find the specific webpage where they discuss and document this particular aspect of TB heritage but I found their index to be straight forward and easy to follow. It is one of the few - if not the only - site I've found that tracks both performances in flat racing and over the hurdles or brushes in documenting top performers of the breed and their pedigrees. I like that because I presume that a bloodline capable of producing an Olypic or Internationa show jumper standout can - when properly crossed - produce a superior runner as well.
There have also been several earlier threads at this site on this question and if you'll do a search on the word "jump" I think you'll find those and can read what has been offered on this subject before.
I have a particular passion around finding and researching information on the descendants of the Byerly Turk so take the balance of what I post with a grain of salt - I can neither claim to be totally unbiased nor can I claim to know anything about jumping first hand, from experience. I do think you will find that the Byerly Turk sirelines have frequently led to some of the great jumper breeding dynasties in the past....but they are few and far between to come by today...especially in N. America. (For active N.A. stallions of this bloodline take a look at Legal Jousting in Ontario, Eastern Memories in Seguin Texas, Gold Saga in either Oregon or Washington states on the west coast, French Seventyfive in Sanger, OK. and My Memoires in Colorado for active members of this sireline in N.A. Though standing as stallions for racing prospects I suspect that at least a few of these might make a terrific jumper when bred to the right mare.)
A QH stallion, Sonny's Hot Jazz who stands in Texas is bred with a B.T. bred dam(by Royal Chocolate) as his female foundation and he is a consistent sire of top drawer QH and Appendix QH H/Js. I have seen mention of Royal Chocolate in the pedigree of several successful dressage competitors/individuals testing for BM and stallion acceptance to WB registries. Royal Chocolate was an Ambiorix line stallion, successful on the track and moderately successful in the breeding shed. Ambiorix, a French bred B.T. descendant via Tourbillion, imported to the US where he raced and bred successfully, was also registered with one of the WB registries and four of his sons were so registered as well. THe sort of balance and balletic grace that derives form power thruough the back and hindquarters' engagement that results in successful testing for the WB registeries would suggest to me that this trait may also be associated with this branch of the B.T. family.
Hethersett, a different branch of the B.T. family has also been associated with some top flight jumpers/hurdlers in the past. One of his descendants just won a G-1 race in S. America to offer some hope of re-vitalizing that branch as a breeding option as well and there are still some active sons/grandsons of Hethersett available in Ireland, England, perhaps in France and in Australia/N.Z. too, I think.) Many of the B.T.'s descendant superior runners were as good or better at racing over hurdles as they were on the turf or flat and these individuals went on to establish well known "jumper" sirelines in Ireland and England, France during the late 1800's/1900's.
There is also a french based website, something about 'the blue horse' that is a great source of information and breeding information for various current jumper sires of international reputation - it presents information for both those that excel in producing hurdlers, i.e. horses that race over obstacles, and those that have contributed wheter in pure blood or cross-breeding to 'show' jumpers in Olympic/International competitions. If I can locate it I'll post as a f/u. IF you take a look at the pedigrees of the proven jumper sires on this site I think you will see which sirelines are contributing most consistently at a high level of competition today.
A couple I can think of up here that are producing, or will soon be producing. Wanderkind; he has produced several great eventers including Livingston. A stallion named Silver Fox. He already has one mare who is warmblood approved who went premium I think, and his foals are EXCEPIONAL movers. Several of his babies are just entering the show world. The Royal Chocolate line seems to be very popular in the show world, as does the Bold Laddie horses.
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Susan if you are looking for anice producer in Ontario......A Fine Romance does quite well with producing hunters, as well as Play For Time. He used to be huge as far as line horses go.....couldn't beat them at the Royal. Keen Falcon came off racing and I beleive is now in the hunter ring....producing.....
Shameless plug for my guy Wild By Design.....link to jumping pic below.
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He was 36 mos old in that pic....so hopefully just keeps getting better. I lost his trainer (an event rider) that was riding him here....can't find another that will do that so after his last mares are checked in foal he is going to have to leave home. I did not find a hunter/jumper trainer I liked so he is going to a dressage trainer for now. Can't hurt to have a good foundation in the basics no matter where he ends up.
hunter/jumper/sporthorse sires
It's funny that you ask this question. One of last year's Eventing magazines carried an extensive article on common sires of top eventers. I was pleased to see, that by some fate of luck, I have several Off the Track rehabbed TBs who are fine athletes with kind hearts, sane minds and sound bodies, who can trace their ancestors to these same great lines. One that stands out in my mind, peculiarly is Princequillo. It seems that all of my ponies seem to trace to him. Nearctic is also very common at my farm. Keep in mind, that I didn't look for these sires when I picked these partners...no, usually I saw a kindness in their eye, a willingness in their hearts that made me think...maybe this one. I've been very pleased.
There's a local breeder (Missouri) who has some proven sporthorse sires. Seine Minstrel son of The Minstrel, Diamond Bill, Turkancer, and a young son of Tap the Mint are all stallions she stands. Give her site a look. Oakwood Farm (www.oakwoodfarmtb.com).
Blue
There's a local breeder (Missouri) who has some proven sporthorse sires. Seine Minstrel son of The Minstrel, Diamond Bill, Turkancer, and a young son of Tap the Mint are all stallions she stands. Give her site a look. Oakwood Farm (www.oakwoodfarmtb.com).
Blue
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