What color is this filly?

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What color is this filly?

Postby Camish » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:06 am

She's listed as a bay...but to me she looks like a smutty buckskin. Am I wrong? She's a Gold Case filly.

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Postby Nessa » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:35 am

She looks like a sooty buckskin to me, here's another example.


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Postby madelyn » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:35 am

She would be registered by the Jockey Club as a bay regardless.....
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Postby Camish » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:57 am

madelyn wrote:She would be registered by the Jockey Club as a bay regardless.....


I understand that, but was just wondering if I was correct in thinking she was a buckskin.
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Postby SymRanch » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:02 pm

Easiest way to answer that is by looking at her parents. She can't be dilute without a dilute parent, and Gold Case sure isn't a palomino...

So who's her dam?

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Postby Camish » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:03 pm

Her dam is Intimate who is by Topsider.

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Postby SymRanch » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:17 pm

I'd say it's unlikely that this filly is dilute.

She doesn't have any of the known bloodlines for dilute and the most likely candidate for finding another dilute line in TBs would be in an obscure line of homozygous bays (any dilute chestnut would be an obvious palomino and would likely get some notice, but buckskins are a bit more subtle)

In this case:
- the sire's a known chestnut so could NOT have passed a dilute gene.
- the dam is a bay, but the dam's dam is a chestnut and the dam's sire had a fair # of offspring, many of whom were chestnut. Doesn't make it impossible for him to have had a dilute gene, but it seems highly unlikely.

The only way to rule it out absolutely would be a DNA test, but it wouldn't seem worth the effort. It's probably just pretty dapples on a light-ish bay.

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Postby henthorn » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:01 pm

I wonder if timing plays a role here. She appears to be showing the effects of sun exposure as well. My dark brown mare looked dark purple when I bought her after being kept out of the sun for sale prep as a yearling, and later looked either blotchy brown in the summer like your filly or dark brown/black in the winter.
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Postby Jorge » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:13 pm

I am not going to jump into theoretical conclussions on this interesting case but one thing is sure for me, Intimate's pedigree is heavily loaded with sabino sources.

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Postby Gem » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:24 pm

it'd be nice if she was dun ,but she's bay.
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Postby xfactor fan » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:40 pm

Since there is a test for the creme gene, why don't you have her tested. Of course she's probably just a light bay, but if she is a new/unknown line with the creme gene the color breeders will be delighted, and it might up her value. Nice looking filly.