How about this mare for a broodmare?

[vineyridge]

http://www.pedigreequery.com/i+hear+that

She's at Mountaineer, needs to be gone by Friday, trainer wants $600 bucks but it's negotiable. She's been used hard and has or had a sesamoid fracture. Won over $100 grand.

For those who like the Mr. P and/or ND on top and the stamina mares on the bottom, what do you think of her?

[louis finochio]

I would like to see more black type in the first 3 dams. I would have to pass, as I like to purchase the mares that have consistently produce black type superior runners.

[Joe]

Very interesting breeding. She was not great class, but was a winner of 10 races. I think the breeding is absolutely intiguing because there is so much Ribot in her line. Louis is right that you can't expect much but maybe a decent claimer, which is what she appeared to be. I would assume she ran at the bottom at the end.

[vineyridge]

Could someone post an APR on her? I'd like to see it, since most of her tail female dams were unraced. She was on the board in half of her 52! races.

Someone thought highly enough of her great granddam to breed her to very high quality stallions.

[bcassidy]

I like her breeding for my stallion. Is she lame now? Who do I get in contact with to discuss her further? Thanks for the information on her.

[vineyridge]

There's a thread about her on The Chronicle of The Horse.

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/foru ... /863203457

Here is some direct contact information:
Her asking price is $600 - definitely negotiable. Again, she needs a home BY THE WEEKEND. If you can help, please e-mail Rachael (who is trying to help place her) at [email protected] or call 304-479-3253 and leave a message if she doesn't answer. Thanks!

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[KamiBrooks]

1st dam
WAUCHULA, by Gregorian. Unraced. Dam of 7 foals, 6 to race, 6 winners--

Gun Barrel City (g. by Bankbook). 10 wins, 2 to 6, $114,724.
I Hear That (f. by Oh Say). below.
Wauchula Dancer (g. by Carnivalay). 7 wins, 3 to 6, $98,147.
Dean's Gift (g. by Willard Scott). 4 wins at 3, $44,541.
Say That (f. by Oh Say). 3 wins at 2 and 3, $40,670.
Sunny Wauchula (f. by Willard Scott). Winner at 3, $9,114.

2nd dam
SUPREME KNOWLEDGE, by Smarten. Unraced.

3rd dam
REALLY SUPREME, by In Reality. Winner at 3, $10,878. Dam of 4 winners--

Say You Can (c. by Oh Say). 9 wins at 5 and 6, $52,754.
Gala Minstrel (f. by The Minstrel). 4 wins at 5, $36,260. Producer.
Prince of Reality (c. by Prince Valid). Winner at 5 and 6, $9,871.
Supreme Magic (c. by Oh Say). 3 wins at 4 and 6, $9,851.
Angel in Disguise (f. by Halo). Unraced. Dam of--

Outward Change (f. by Akureyri). Unraced. Dam of--
Supreme Angel (f. by Prince Valid). Unraced. Dam of--

VALID REPRIZED (c. by Reprized). 5 wins, 2 to 4, $171,993, Tropical
Park Derby [G3], Hialeah Juvenile S. (HIA, $15,900), 3rd
Everglades S. [G3], Palm Beach S. [G3].
CONVEYOR'S ANGEL (f. by Conveyor). 3 wins at 2 and 3, 2005,
$167,471, Golden Poppy Breeders' Cup S. [L] (GG, $41,250), Hidden
Light S.-R (SA, $47,040), 2nd Miesque S. [G3] (HOL, $15,000),
Aladdin Resort and Casino H. [L] (DMR, $15,425), Palo Alto H. [L]
(BM, $12,000), etc.

4th dam
LANELIA, by First Landing. Unplaced in 1 start. Sister to JIM J. ($212,371,
Royal Palm H., etc., sire), half-sister to SUNELIANNE ($56,020, Milady
H.). Dam of 4 winners, including--
[list=] Norelia (f. by Norcliffe). Winner at 4, $9,875. Dam of--
LITTLE RICKY S. (f. by Runaway Groom). 5 wins at 3 and 5, $107,267, San
Jose Breeders' Cup H. (BM, $19,085). Producer.
Runaway Diamond (f. by Runaway Groom). 6 wins, 2 to 5, $108,654, 3rd Lt.
Governor's S. (ELP, $3,157). Producer.
Mistyelia (f. by Misty Flight). 3 wins in 3 starts at 3, $12,300. Dam of--
Count Misty (c. by Dancing Count). 5 wins at 3 and 4, $58,575, 3rd City of
Baltimore H.[/list]

RACE RECORD for I Hear That: At 2, one win, once 2nd, once 3rd; at 3, four wins, once 2nd, twice 3rd; at 4, three wins, once 2nd, 3 times 3rd; at 5, two wins, twice 2nd, twice 3rd; at 6, 2005, three times 3rd. Totals: 10 wins, 5 times 2nd, 11 times 3rd. Earned $109,159.

From her PP
Minimum Winning Distance: 6 furlongs
Maximum Winning Distance: 1 mile
Average Winning Distance: 7.2 furlongs

Broke her maiden in 1st start PIM ft 6f MCL12k/16k
Ran claimers @ 10k-16k in 2001-2002
Since then claimers of 5k or less
Won CT ft 6½f ALW 20k June 2002
Claimed 5 times current owner must have been private sale

Hope this helps. I'd like to see her land in a safe home

Kami

[Everythingbutwings]

A friend of mine has contacted them hoping to get her - she's waiting to hear back. The person she spoke to said there have been several calls.

I'm hoping to have a road trip to make!

[vineyridge]

Okay, now it's time for y'all to teach me.

Her APR looks decent to me. Her dam had 7 foals, 6 to race and 6 to win. Farther back, she's from a female family with some stakes winners and placers, and a fair amount of money won, along with other females who are described as producers.

From a regional racing standpoint, what is not to like about the mare and her family for breeding? Tough stock, made money, and mares are designated as producers? Every racetrack needs the undercard horses, and every trainer doesn't train for big races. Look at the Smarty Jones connections history. I know llightning strikes those guys occasionally, but don't lots of racetrack folk stay happily racing claimers and allowance horses without realistically aiming for the lightning?

Teach me about the economics of racing at places like CT and Mountaineer.

[pembroke]

Most people like to have more black type in their broodmares closer up. If this mares' dam had produced any stakes horses, she would be more "commercial." Sometimes I think that some people get so caught up in "black type" that they can't see the big picture. An example......last year, I called about a filly advertised on the internet (not mentioning any names). She had started 3 times and was unsound, her dam had started 3 or 4 times for a prominent trainer and owner, was stakes placed and then broke down. Ditto for the next dam. The were all unsound, by very prominent grade one sires and had about a dozen starts total for the three of them. Yet, she was high priced and sold the first day the ad came out. (or so I was told) I can't help but think that that filly will produce the very same. If you were breeding her to race the offspring for yourself, how could you justify the fact that they may all be unsound? If you are looking to produce a sound runner for yourself, there is not a thing wrong with this mare at Mountaineer If I were looking for just this type, I would not rule her out. The fact that she was rode hard and put up wet many times and held up this long over- rides the "no blacktype" in my mind. For those who worship the "good old mares" in the pedigrees...what is not to like about a mare who has Source Sucree, Flower Bed, Vacrancy and My Dear Girl? I know that most people will say that this mare would only produce a mediocre claimer at best......but....like you said, if That is where you are happy..........

If, someone does make that trip to WVA.,.....there is another mare there that was posted under The for sale section on this site.....Hansel mare....$850.

[madelyn]

I have way better mares than this available for under $1K, currently have two daughters of Thesixthofmay (dam of May Gator who is now G3 stakes placed winner of nearly half a mil)... check out Brass Monkey and World Cruiser, although I may keep World Cruiser to breed to Rocking Trick. Well hell I may keep Brass Monkey for Bad Boy Atta...

These girls are sort of "close to home" in that I have had others from this family and they have intelligence, temperament, lovely conformation, etc. If Thesixthofmay could get May Gator from the likes of Green Alligator, what could World Cruiser get with Rocking Trick?

These girls are already in Ky and available for investors to prep for the '06 year.

[Everythingbutwings]

I like her for the absence of ND & Mr. P in her family. From a purely sport horse aspect (and that I have two Ribot line horses of my own) I prefer to see Royal Charger, Turn To and Ribot, which she has in quantities.

Distance, grass, late developing and jumping ability run in those lines. As a race horse, she earned her way at a job her background isn't especially suited for. If her conformation warrants breeding, I think she'd do well since she's about as much of an outcross to Mid Atlantic studs as you could possibly find.

[pembroke]

Madelyn, While you were posting your comments...I was looking at Thesixthofmays' APR...Checking out her daughter, Blue Marlin. When your post came up I couldn't believe it!!!!!

[madelyn]

Good luck with Blue Marlin -- it is a really nice family. I don't have race records for Blue Marlin, Brass Monkey or World Cruiser but they are all try-hard horses from this line. And being half sis to a G3 SP mare with nearly half a mil in earnings... actually Thesixthofmay looks like dam of 6, 5 to race, nearly all winners... well there is an '04 filly, USS Spencer, by Unreal Zeal, but is just a yearling.

[vineyridge]

Still trying to learn.

Would someone mind posting Thesixthofmay's APR?

Just looking at the pedigrees, and with an admitted bias against Mr.P, I'm baffled at why you say her family is any more worth breeding than the Mountaineer mare. I'm not being snarky; I truly want to understand. My old guy is by Mount Hagen by Bold Bidder. One of Mount Hagen's sons won a couple of really important Gr. 1 stakes in England or Ireland. None of his other sons or daughters did diddly squat that I can discover. His one big winner was like a lightning strike. Seems sort of like winning a genetic lottery. Wouldn't a single hit from the dam be the equivalent?

Actually, I've just spent some time googling Mount Hagen. He won quite a bit himself, was shuttled before shuttling was popular, and has been a sort of useful broodmare sire. Nothing spectacular, though, except Dickens Hill.

BTW, the Mountaineer mare has been bought by a rescue type, so her genes will be out of the TB gene pool. Personally, I think that's too bad, just from a soundness point of view.