Hi Guys,
The early returns are in.... a link to the 2004 report of mares bred is up at the Bloodhorse website.
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=24943
191 mares, oh my!
2004 Report of Mares Bred
Moderators: Roguelet, hpkingjr, WaveMaster
Quick list of a few we've talked about, and a few other notables ...
Giant's Causeway 130
Fu Peg 193
Go for Gin 20
Barkerville 26
Broad Brush 26
Siberian Summer 48
Wheelaway 103
West Acre 72
Full Mandate 151
Flatter 116
Exchange Rate 81
Snuck In 106
Souvenir Copy 41
Invisible Ink 34
Gold Case 116
In Excess 115
Wiseman's Ferry 104
Wheelaway 103
Hook and Ladder 76
Successful Appeal 104
Stormy Atlantic 183
Arch 88
Comments?
Giant's Causeway 130
Fu Peg 193
Go for Gin 20
Barkerville 26
Broad Brush 26
Siberian Summer 48
Wheelaway 103
West Acre 72
Full Mandate 151
Flatter 116
Exchange Rate 81
Snuck In 106
Souvenir Copy 41
Invisible Ink 34
Gold Case 116
In Excess 115
Wiseman's Ferry 104
Wheelaway 103
Hook and Ladder 76
Successful Appeal 104
Stormy Atlantic 183
Arch 88
Comments?
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Sorry to post two replies to my own post!!! But had to correct my typo re Siberian Summer - who is reported to have covered 48 mares not 4!
*************** Have corrected this post now! Thanks for the tip, Cheryl.
*************** Have corrected this post now! Thanks for the tip, Cheryl.
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Ol' what's his name wasn't kidding about Full Mandate, was he? Sucessful Appeal did very well to get that many on the bubble, though his did look good and were getting good money relative to his stud fee.
Inky might be interesting for mares inbred to Seattle Slew. Broad Brush must be having fertility problems or something to have that few mares this soon after Fareda Amiga.
The numbers on FuPeg and Stormy Atlantic are evidence of mass insanity and delusion.
-llbean
Inky might be interesting for mares inbred to Seattle Slew. Broad Brush must be having fertility problems or something to have that few mares this soon after Fareda Amiga.
The numbers on FuPeg and Stormy Atlantic are evidence of mass insanity and delusion.
-llbean
Okay, okay... I admit when I am wrong. Back in breeding season, I made the statement that Hold That Tiger and Van Nistlerooy would cover "200 mares, each". The validity of my statement was severely "questioned" (nice way of saying that some practically declared I did not know what I was talking about)... well, they were right...
Hold That Tiger - 199
Van Nistelrooy - 186
Okay, so I have almost a 4% margin of error. (Which does put me a couple percents better than those political pollsters... and I was working for free...) Sorry.
Perhaps my premise for such an outlandish statement did prove true for some. With these stallions having these types of books, there can be a real difficulty in getting your mare to them when she needs to be there... even if it is at 2:00am. Additionally, if you bred to one of these stallions, I hope you get a good foal, because it will be competing with a huge number of others by that sire.
Of course, for those of you who believe the aggragate numbers for young stallions are important, rather than those based on percentages... well, I'll help you predict some successes right now. Hold That Tiger and / or Van Nistelrooy will be among the top few for their respective class when their foals hit the track.
In some ways, as if you cannot tell, this practice and my criticism of it isn't fair to the stallions. While Hold That Tiger's 1/2 bro, Editor's Note, hasn't done much, this is still a very, very nice family and Hold That Tiger was a serious horse. Even if you believe the sales figure for Van Nistelrooy was more fiction than fact, you have to admit he is a nice horse from wonderful bloodlines, historic Elmendorf farm bloodlines. Interestingly, if either had stood elsewhere, at least this year, they would have had an "introductory fee" of at least 2x their current fee, so, perhaps Ashford is helping some of the smaller breeders... at least in allowing them access to such quality at a reasonable price... however, I do fear sales time for these same breeders.
Anyone stop and do the math for how much FuPeg brought in (provided all mares paid the full stallion fee). Is my math wrong or was the approximate gross of his "work" this year about $14,000,000? That deserves a "WOW". Of course, using the same method of calc... I believe Storm Cat added about $50,000,000 worth of genetic material to the pool this year. Now that is truly mind boggling!
Hold That Tiger - 199
Van Nistelrooy - 186
Okay, so I have almost a 4% margin of error. (Which does put me a couple percents better than those political pollsters... and I was working for free...) Sorry.
Perhaps my premise for such an outlandish statement did prove true for some. With these stallions having these types of books, there can be a real difficulty in getting your mare to them when she needs to be there... even if it is at 2:00am. Additionally, if you bred to one of these stallions, I hope you get a good foal, because it will be competing with a huge number of others by that sire.
Of course, for those of you who believe the aggragate numbers for young stallions are important, rather than those based on percentages... well, I'll help you predict some successes right now. Hold That Tiger and / or Van Nistelrooy will be among the top few for their respective class when their foals hit the track.
In some ways, as if you cannot tell, this practice and my criticism of it isn't fair to the stallions. While Hold That Tiger's 1/2 bro, Editor's Note, hasn't done much, this is still a very, very nice family and Hold That Tiger was a serious horse. Even if you believe the sales figure for Van Nistelrooy was more fiction than fact, you have to admit he is a nice horse from wonderful bloodlines, historic Elmendorf farm bloodlines. Interestingly, if either had stood elsewhere, at least this year, they would have had an "introductory fee" of at least 2x their current fee, so, perhaps Ashford is helping some of the smaller breeders... at least in allowing them access to such quality at a reasonable price... however, I do fear sales time for these same breeders.
Anyone stop and do the math for how much FuPeg brought in (provided all mares paid the full stallion fee). Is my math wrong or was the approximate gross of his "work" this year about $14,000,000? That deserves a "WOW". Of course, using the same method of calc... I believe Storm Cat added about $50,000,000 worth of genetic material to the pool this year. Now that is truly mind boggling!
With figures like those coming out of the rbeeding shed, it's no wonder the rush is on to retire a good 3yo the instant he comes up with a minor injury instead of giving him time off and bringing him back. The breeding shed is where the profits are.
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Hi guys ... hello KAL
You've heard it from me before...but I'll say it again...stakes winner (by A.P.Indy) Full Mandate is going to get a HUGE opportunity...he is a new "sleeper" in my opinion...and destined for success.
Wow...is he something to look at on the end of a leadshank.
Take a glance...151 mares his first year at stud...and no deals on the stud fee...he is also an INCREDIBLE breeding horse...generous...no nonsense...a cover-the-mare and get-her-in-foal kinda guy. When the word got out...and people saw him...it became near impossible to get a season to him.
And by-the-way KAL...you should definitely get a reprieve on your prognostications...that margin-of-error thing (but I believe in the case of Van Nistelrooy the margin of error would have to be either 14 points+- ... or 8% of 186 to reach 200...but we'll accept it anyway)...since you did work for "free."
Best to you.
Respectfully
You've heard it from me before...but I'll say it again...stakes winner (by A.P.Indy) Full Mandate is going to get a HUGE opportunity...he is a new "sleeper" in my opinion...and destined for success.
Wow...is he something to look at on the end of a leadshank.
Take a glance...151 mares his first year at stud...and no deals on the stud fee...he is also an INCREDIBLE breeding horse...generous...no nonsense...a cover-the-mare and get-her-in-foal kinda guy. When the word got out...and people saw him...it became near impossible to get a season to him.
And by-the-way KAL...you should definitely get a reprieve on your prognostications...that margin-of-error thing (but I believe in the case of Van Nistelrooy the margin of error would have to be either 14 points+- ... or 8% of 186 to reach 200...but we'll accept it anyway)...since you did work for "free."
Best to you.
Respectfully
Interesting - From the Texas bred breeder's perspective:
Authenticate - As yet unproven as a stallion was bred to 86 mares. This guy was heavily advertized/promoted by a syndicate of owners/breeders to race and supposedly had a 'quality' book of mares to boot....IF his first crop to race doesn't post big numbers it won't be for lack of opportunities! IF you like his looks, his pedigree with your mare and can wait to see some of the early foals from this first season drop...a breeding to him in the second season might be decent gamble?
Valid Expectations, proven sire of winners on the track and in the sale ring,saw 80.....but at $17,500 I imagine these were quite nice mares.
Seneca Jones - who is proven as a sire of decent runners and had a few of his do well in the Tx F-T sales was tied for third most patronized w/65 mares bred. Star Programmer also saw 65 mares. This stallion - from the foal shots in the Texas Thoroughbred magazine has produced some very nice looking foals and is well promoted. Not sure how good the mare book quality is but he is getting opportunities.
Major Cat at 58 and Karen's Cat at 55 were 4th and 5th most popular....both are unproven new comers, more of the 'Storm Cat' is everything breeding, IMO. The foal photos of Karen Cat's offspring from his first season at stud, in this latest issue of the Texas Thoroughbred - the one that will be widely distributed at the Breeder's Cup - was not what I would call a sterling advertisement for this stallion. OF several K.C. foals featured there I thought all had a pronounced turnout/deviation of their right forelegs...and some also exhibited turned out feet, below the fetlock on the left. (I don't think this was the normal often seen wobbledness/splaying of legs seen in very young foals...and why would you put a photo of a very young foal who wasn't quite able to stand upright on his feet yet in the public view anyway? Wait a week or two and get a photo of him once he's straightened out a bit and is stronger!)
City Street ranked 6th in number of mares reported bred. Another newcomer being supported/promoted by the same folks that brought Commanchero to Texas and have done well by him. This stallion does have a decent race record and now it's clear he'll have opportunities in his first crop to race...although his fee may go up modestly from the introductory offering of last year, I suspect many will be attracted to him for his second season.
Captain Countdown is 7th having been bred to 51 mares, another new comer
Truluck is 8th - bred to 50 mares
Wild Zone, a now proven sire of SW offspring, is 9th at 44 mares bred.
Early Flyer, another unproven newcomer is 10th at 42 mares bred.
IN the 30 or more mares bred category were: Aggie Southpaw -31 (SW from his first small crop - one to watch); Boone's Mill -37 (Proven sire, passes on speed and a very powerful musculature); Commanchero -34(This is a signifigant decrease from last season's 84 mares bred. Let me say right up front that I can't be 'neutral' on this guy as I have an '04 filly by him that I really like, but as with all Unbridleds I think you have to be particularly picky about the match of mare to stallion conformationally. Unraced son of Unbridled, produced a 2YO GSW/MSW from his first small crop, 2 high priced yearlings and a 2YO, yet to race, that Bob Baffert purchased for $130K, like many Unbridled stallions/sires so far seems capable of producing the "big horse" but not a lot of consistent runners/winners.); Dove Hunt - 36 (I LIKE this stallion in terms of pedigree and conformation. He is standing at Lane's End in Texas and his early returns - from small crops - are encouraging. Needs a "big horse" to really take off.); Gold Regent - 38; Irish Open - 33 (Another proven stallion I like for the breeding to race owner. They tend to not be briliant 2YOs but are consistent allowance and claiming runners for many years - see prior post under his name for more than you ever wanted to know about a stallion <grin>); Marked Tree - 34 (another of the 'ol reliables that has spent his entire career in Texas - still popular for the breed to race owner, although I find many of his offspring to appear a bit coarse overall, they can and usually will run; New Trieste - 32 (First season for this unraced full brother to Old Trieste, who sold as a yearling for 1.3MM. Again, can't be too neutral as I bred my mare to him but she reabsorbed and is going back to him early in '05. Being supported and promoted by Turf Express in a unique partnership program to mare owners - hoping he'll do as well at stud early as his full brother did before untimely death. Offered by Private Treaty per advertisements but the minimum for a donated season in TTA auction is $2500. <Jorge/color enthusiasts - this one's a definite sabino.>); Open Forum - 36 (Jorge - a lovely gray! This successful sire of mostly precocious runners stands alongside Valid Expectations but doesn't get the same respect. I actually like him better myself.); Seattle Sleet -38 (I don't know anything at all about this stallion, snuck up on me <grin>); Touch Tone - 31 (would have thought this son of Phone Trick would have seen more mares, but he is unproven at stud. IF his first crop to race beginnings finding the winner's circle I expect to see him do well); Uncle Abblie - 30 (Another son of Unbridled. Do not have any other information on this one, haven't seen him or any of his offspring.); Gold Regent - 38 (Another I'm fairly uninformed of - must go visit!)
Some others worth mentioning: These I would either categorize as proven sires that are good bets for the breed to race owner or new comers getting enough support to warrant further investigation/research: A.P. Valentine was reported bred to 20 mares. (I would love to have one of those mares pregnant to him, but wonder what the foals born stats will look like in '05 from these breedings with his fertility/breedability issues? Hoping his new situation in Texas has resolved or at least ameliorated his problems enough that a few more A.P. Valentines will be around in future years, sigh.); El Amante -19 ( Has had some of his first crop to race do well this year - expect to see more bred to him in '05); Gen Stormin'norman - 29 (Again he's had some good winners in his first crops to race - one big horse would bring many mares rushing to his side); Gold Legend - 28; Holzmeister - 20 (now a proven sire, has an excellent pedigree and is an imposing physical speciman - why doesn't he get more respect?); Meacham - 18 (Never even heard of this guy - must do research!); Naevus - 19 (A great proven sire of consistent winners and a versatile sire - they've won on the grasss in Europe and on the short, dirt races so popular in Texas, La., etc. Dual registered Paint and TB - figures prominently in pedigree of 'white' thoroughbreds. Grand Old Man in my opinion); Once A Sailor - 18 (Someone on this Board was asking about him); Ore Deal - 18 (Another I never heard of?); Pancho Villa - 26 (The Team Valor guys and other savy buyers/breeders to race seem to really like offspring of this stallion as well os offspring of his daughters - posted huge speed figs and is the epitome of a sprinter type physically, son of Big Red); Rare Brick - 18 (Another Grand Old Man of Texas - check out his stats for starters from foals/winners from starters - at times he's been #1 in the world.); River Squall - 19 (Bears watching as he is a newcomer); Seeking A Home - 19 (Another that bears watching); Sir Bedivere - 28 (Must check this one out); Tinner's Way - 25 (Proven O/S race horse, didn't do so well as a sire so is now in Texas at Key Ranch. Glad to see he's getting a small measure of the support he deserves - should get more!); Wajir - 15 (Another Key Ranch stallion who is now a proven sire of winners, may be the only son of Cherokee Run standing in Texas); Z Smart Prospect - 19 (?).
Does anyone see a pattern here? Seems to me that many Texas breeders are anxious to try and produce a "commercial" and/or higher quality foal than they expect to get from the Proven Sires standing in Texas that absolutely unproven, newcomers - some of them unraced - with largish books, glossy adverts and well more or less prominent connections are seen as the 'better gamble'....particularly, it would seem if they are Storm Cat descendants...Expect much disappointment, perhaps a few home runs at the F-T Sale....and if the stars are alligned just right a true Success Story where a heavily supported, advertized, new stallion is listed in the Bloodhorse among the top 50 sires of 2YOs/First Crop Sires, etc.
OR....are all these folks convinced, willing to bet, that slots will become a reality in Texas in time to make a difference in the value of their prospective foals?!
Authenticate - As yet unproven as a stallion was bred to 86 mares. This guy was heavily advertized/promoted by a syndicate of owners/breeders to race and supposedly had a 'quality' book of mares to boot....IF his first crop to race doesn't post big numbers it won't be for lack of opportunities! IF you like his looks, his pedigree with your mare and can wait to see some of the early foals from this first season drop...a breeding to him in the second season might be decent gamble?
Valid Expectations, proven sire of winners on the track and in the sale ring,saw 80.....but at $17,500 I imagine these were quite nice mares.
Seneca Jones - who is proven as a sire of decent runners and had a few of his do well in the Tx F-T sales was tied for third most patronized w/65 mares bred. Star Programmer also saw 65 mares. This stallion - from the foal shots in the Texas Thoroughbred magazine has produced some very nice looking foals and is well promoted. Not sure how good the mare book quality is but he is getting opportunities.
Major Cat at 58 and Karen's Cat at 55 were 4th and 5th most popular....both are unproven new comers, more of the 'Storm Cat' is everything breeding, IMO. The foal photos of Karen Cat's offspring from his first season at stud, in this latest issue of the Texas Thoroughbred - the one that will be widely distributed at the Breeder's Cup - was not what I would call a sterling advertisement for this stallion. OF several K.C. foals featured there I thought all had a pronounced turnout/deviation of their right forelegs...and some also exhibited turned out feet, below the fetlock on the left. (I don't think this was the normal often seen wobbledness/splaying of legs seen in very young foals...and why would you put a photo of a very young foal who wasn't quite able to stand upright on his feet yet in the public view anyway? Wait a week or two and get a photo of him once he's straightened out a bit and is stronger!)
City Street ranked 6th in number of mares reported bred. Another newcomer being supported/promoted by the same folks that brought Commanchero to Texas and have done well by him. This stallion does have a decent race record and now it's clear he'll have opportunities in his first crop to race...although his fee may go up modestly from the introductory offering of last year, I suspect many will be attracted to him for his second season.
Captain Countdown is 7th having been bred to 51 mares, another new comer
Truluck is 8th - bred to 50 mares
Wild Zone, a now proven sire of SW offspring, is 9th at 44 mares bred.
Early Flyer, another unproven newcomer is 10th at 42 mares bred.
IN the 30 or more mares bred category were: Aggie Southpaw -31 (SW from his first small crop - one to watch); Boone's Mill -37 (Proven sire, passes on speed and a very powerful musculature); Commanchero -34(This is a signifigant decrease from last season's 84 mares bred. Let me say right up front that I can't be 'neutral' on this guy as I have an '04 filly by him that I really like, but as with all Unbridleds I think you have to be particularly picky about the match of mare to stallion conformationally. Unraced son of Unbridled, produced a 2YO GSW/MSW from his first small crop, 2 high priced yearlings and a 2YO, yet to race, that Bob Baffert purchased for $130K, like many Unbridled stallions/sires so far seems capable of producing the "big horse" but not a lot of consistent runners/winners.); Dove Hunt - 36 (I LIKE this stallion in terms of pedigree and conformation. He is standing at Lane's End in Texas and his early returns - from small crops - are encouraging. Needs a "big horse" to really take off.); Gold Regent - 38; Irish Open - 33 (Another proven stallion I like for the breeding to race owner. They tend to not be briliant 2YOs but are consistent allowance and claiming runners for many years - see prior post under his name for more than you ever wanted to know about a stallion <grin>); Marked Tree - 34 (another of the 'ol reliables that has spent his entire career in Texas - still popular for the breed to race owner, although I find many of his offspring to appear a bit coarse overall, they can and usually will run; New Trieste - 32 (First season for this unraced full brother to Old Trieste, who sold as a yearling for 1.3MM. Again, can't be too neutral as I bred my mare to him but she reabsorbed and is going back to him early in '05. Being supported and promoted by Turf Express in a unique partnership program to mare owners - hoping he'll do as well at stud early as his full brother did before untimely death. Offered by Private Treaty per advertisements but the minimum for a donated season in TTA auction is $2500. <Jorge/color enthusiasts - this one's a definite sabino.>); Open Forum - 36 (Jorge - a lovely gray! This successful sire of mostly precocious runners stands alongside Valid Expectations but doesn't get the same respect. I actually like him better myself.); Seattle Sleet -38 (I don't know anything at all about this stallion, snuck up on me <grin>); Touch Tone - 31 (would have thought this son of Phone Trick would have seen more mares, but he is unproven at stud. IF his first crop to race beginnings finding the winner's circle I expect to see him do well); Uncle Abblie - 30 (Another son of Unbridled. Do not have any other information on this one, haven't seen him or any of his offspring.); Gold Regent - 38 (Another I'm fairly uninformed of - must go visit!)
Some others worth mentioning: These I would either categorize as proven sires that are good bets for the breed to race owner or new comers getting enough support to warrant further investigation/research: A.P. Valentine was reported bred to 20 mares. (I would love to have one of those mares pregnant to him, but wonder what the foals born stats will look like in '05 from these breedings with his fertility/breedability issues? Hoping his new situation in Texas has resolved or at least ameliorated his problems enough that a few more A.P. Valentines will be around in future years, sigh.); El Amante -19 ( Has had some of his first crop to race do well this year - expect to see more bred to him in '05); Gen Stormin'norman - 29 (Again he's had some good winners in his first crops to race - one big horse would bring many mares rushing to his side); Gold Legend - 28; Holzmeister - 20 (now a proven sire, has an excellent pedigree and is an imposing physical speciman - why doesn't he get more respect?); Meacham - 18 (Never even heard of this guy - must do research!); Naevus - 19 (A great proven sire of consistent winners and a versatile sire - they've won on the grasss in Europe and on the short, dirt races so popular in Texas, La., etc. Dual registered Paint and TB - figures prominently in pedigree of 'white' thoroughbreds. Grand Old Man in my opinion); Once A Sailor - 18 (Someone on this Board was asking about him); Ore Deal - 18 (Another I never heard of?); Pancho Villa - 26 (The Team Valor guys and other savy buyers/breeders to race seem to really like offspring of this stallion as well os offspring of his daughters - posted huge speed figs and is the epitome of a sprinter type physically, son of Big Red); Rare Brick - 18 (Another Grand Old Man of Texas - check out his stats for starters from foals/winners from starters - at times he's been #1 in the world.); River Squall - 19 (Bears watching as he is a newcomer); Seeking A Home - 19 (Another that bears watching); Sir Bedivere - 28 (Must check this one out); Tinner's Way - 25 (Proven O/S race horse, didn't do so well as a sire so is now in Texas at Key Ranch. Glad to see he's getting a small measure of the support he deserves - should get more!); Wajir - 15 (Another Key Ranch stallion who is now a proven sire of winners, may be the only son of Cherokee Run standing in Texas); Z Smart Prospect - 19 (?).
Does anyone see a pattern here? Seems to me that many Texas breeders are anxious to try and produce a "commercial" and/or higher quality foal than they expect to get from the Proven Sires standing in Texas that absolutely unproven, newcomers - some of them unraced - with largish books, glossy adverts and well more or less prominent connections are seen as the 'better gamble'....particularly, it would seem if they are Storm Cat descendants...Expect much disappointment, perhaps a few home runs at the F-T Sale....and if the stars are alligned just right a true Success Story where a heavily supported, advertized, new stallion is listed in the Bloodhorse among the top 50 sires of 2YOs/First Crop Sires, etc.
OR....are all these folks convinced, willing to bet, that slots will become a reality in Texas in time to make a difference in the value of their prospective foals?!
FOS, good job pointing out Full Mandate - I remember receiving an attractive post-card advertising him earlier his year, and I agree, the horse is a looker... had no idea he'd get that many mares though - he must be getting quite a bit of support from outside mares.
llbean, agreed that Inky would be an interesting match for SS line mares. As a Mr. P fan, I am intrigued by what he will throw, given that he is so closely inbred to Mr. P. I too was surprised by the low figures for Broad Brush and also Barkerville (given that the latter is well spoken of by some breeding advisors).
KAL, does look like you were close to the mark in your predictions.
Gerry - it is odd that Personal Flag covered only one mare... perhaps it was a misprint, or misreported by the farm? He is getting on in years, however, and some breeders are taking their mares to some of the newer stallions in NY - some of which appear to be better supported from a sales perspective, and often better bred. Personal Flag is not the only stallion in NY with greatly reduced book - some of the other old standards have suffered with the increased competition for mares in NY.
Pete - hope you're happy with Arch! He's definitely BACK with 88 mares. Thank goodness Claiborne did not give up on him - he's a good one.
Go for Gin's 20 mares explains his move from Claiborne, in part. He should probably have been let go earlier than this year.
I do think some of the huge books are insane.
llbean, agreed that Inky would be an interesting match for SS line mares. As a Mr. P fan, I am intrigued by what he will throw, given that he is so closely inbred to Mr. P. I too was surprised by the low figures for Broad Brush and also Barkerville (given that the latter is well spoken of by some breeding advisors).
KAL, does look like you were close to the mark in your predictions.
Gerry - it is odd that Personal Flag covered only one mare... perhaps it was a misprint, or misreported by the farm? He is getting on in years, however, and some breeders are taking their mares to some of the newer stallions in NY - some of which appear to be better supported from a sales perspective, and often better bred. Personal Flag is not the only stallion in NY with greatly reduced book - some of the other old standards have suffered with the increased competition for mares in NY.
Pete - hope you're happy with Arch! He's definitely BACK with 88 mares. Thank goodness Claiborne did not give up on him - he's a good one.
Go for Gin's 20 mares explains his move from Claiborne, in part. He should probably have been let go earlier than this year.
I do think some of the huge books are insane.
Well FOS your 4%, even if it might be 8%, is still better than my "batting average"......<darn it>.....I just realized another ERROR in my summation of the Texas Stallions in Mares Bred Report:
UNCLE ABBIE is not another son of Unbridled but rather the only son of KINGMAMBO standing in Texas. He won over $130K and has a decent female family under him. The photo on this site is the only one I've ever seen of him - appears very much a Mr. P line stallion, in his overall appearance.
I also checked the pedigree of newcomer, MEACHAM and he's a Storm Cat out of a Relaunch mare. It does not appear that he raced or if raced he did not win any Stakes Races, but he does have an intriguing female family. A son of Gray Cashmere.
ORE DEAL is another that I'm going to make a point to get acquainted with/inspect in person - his female family greatly intrigues me....
Road Trip, Road Trip!!!
UNCLE ABBIE is not another son of Unbridled but rather the only son of KINGMAMBO standing in Texas. He won over $130K and has a decent female family under him. The photo on this site is the only one I've ever seen of him - appears very much a Mr. P line stallion, in his overall appearance.
I also checked the pedigree of newcomer, MEACHAM and he's a Storm Cat out of a Relaunch mare. It does not appear that he raced or if raced he did not win any Stakes Races, but he does have an intriguing female family. A son of Gray Cashmere.
ORE DEAL is another that I'm going to make a point to get acquainted with/inspect in person - his female family greatly intrigues me....
Road Trip, Road Trip!!!
Jellac, thanks for the rundown on the Texas stallions, as I've seen very few in person. Minor mistakes I saw in your notes:
Valid Expectations was standing at $12,500 for 2004, not $17,500.
Magic Cat was a popular stallion, not Major Cat.
Also of note is that Exciting Story died this year, who was standing at Lanes End Texas for $5000 fee.
Valid Expectations was standing at $12,500 for 2004, not $17,500.
Magic Cat was a popular stallion, not Major Cat.
Also of note is that Exciting Story died this year, who was standing at Lanes End Texas for $5000 fee.
Rocking H
Several years ago I checked how many mares that Storm Cat sires had covered, and it was fully 10%, if not a little more, of all mares bred. I have the feeling if I check that figure this year it will be much higher.
Im wondering if years down the road if the mare population will be so saturated with Northern Dancer/Storm Cat blood that it will be extremely difficult to breed to stallions without doubling and tripling these lines.
Where I work, we have 2 breedings to Congaree for next year. We decided to let Jack Brothers decide on which mares we should send. Since Congaree is 3 x 3 Northern Dancer, I dont want to send anything with Northern Dancer already. Out of 20 mares that we have, I could only come up with 5 that didnt have a strain of Northern Dancer somewhere. I really wonder if breeders arent backing themselves into a corner with all these Storm Cat stallions breeding hundreds and hundreds of mares each year. Is it any wonder that Yes Its True will be so popular.
It would be interesting to tally up the number of Storm Cat stallions that bred mares this past breeding season, and see what percentage of the total mares bred were bred to Storm Cat stallions. I have a feeling the figure will be very scary.
Im wondering if years down the road if the mare population will be so saturated with Northern Dancer/Storm Cat blood that it will be extremely difficult to breed to stallions without doubling and tripling these lines.
Where I work, we have 2 breedings to Congaree for next year. We decided to let Jack Brothers decide on which mares we should send. Since Congaree is 3 x 3 Northern Dancer, I dont want to send anything with Northern Dancer already. Out of 20 mares that we have, I could only come up with 5 that didnt have a strain of Northern Dancer somewhere. I really wonder if breeders arent backing themselves into a corner with all these Storm Cat stallions breeding hundreds and hundreds of mares each year. Is it any wonder that Yes Its True will be so popular.
It would be interesting to tally up the number of Storm Cat stallions that bred mares this past breeding season, and see what percentage of the total mares bred were bred to Storm Cat stallions. I have a feeling the figure will be very scary.