Who is the leading sire of sires today?

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:26 am

Say you had the world's best broodmare, top record, top pedigree, already a champion producer, etc. etc. (LOL obviously she is hypothetical to me) BUT you haven't yet gotten a decent sire prospect out of her, just fillies, what stallion(s) would you send her to now for the purpose of hopefully getting not only all of the above mentioned but if a colt a good stallion prospect (versus a sale prospect or just a racehorse)?

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:33 am

Right now in North America, of course the Storm cats and AP indys are the hot studs. So I would go with one of those two, undoubtedly. Now if in Europe, it would have to be Singspiel or Sadlers Wells

Morningside · Postby **Morningside** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:43 am

agree with derby 2004, but i would add gone west to the NA list...

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:39 am

Oh yeah, forgot all about him. Dont know how that happened. He is probably in the top 3 as far as sire of sires goes.

harperstown · Postby **harperstown** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:17 pm

hey come on derby !
do your homework, saddlers wells as a sire of sires ,you are joking arent you, he has had hundreds of attempts (probably thousands) with most of the best mares in the world and his roster of sucessful sons is woefully small.

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:18 pm

Gone West. Hands down.

Storm Cat is only a "sire of sires" because every idiot and their mother will STAND a Storm Cat. Most of the ones at stud shouldn't be. Same phenomenon is happening with the Unbridled Songs.

Morningside · Postby **Morningside** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:02 pm

harperstown, you can't be serious! if you compare sadler's wells with northern dancer, then maybe you can argue he's not as good as daddy. but compare him to any other living sires in the world, and he's by far the most accomplished sire of sires...

Intrinsic Worth · Postby **Intrinsic Worth** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:39 pm

If Sadler's Wells is such a good sire of sires, why was Montjeu such a surprise success to breeders (except in Australia and NZ.)

The only other Sadler's Wells sire that I know of that is doing well is El Prado, and it took him a long time.

There are plenty of new SW sons at stud now and it will be a few years until we can decide if they will be successful or not.

King of Kings
Barathea
Entrepreneur
Johann Quatz
Old Vic
Opera House

These guys sure haven't burned up the breeding shed lately.

Nijinsky · Postby **Nijinsky** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:33 pm

Too bad he's dead....but SEATTLE SLEW for one mare.
SADLER'S WELLS another. MR. PROSPECTOR another and STORM CAT another.

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:43 pm

Nijinsky wrote:Too bad he's dead....but SEATTLE SLEW for one mare.
SADLER'S WELLS another. MR. PROSPECTOR another and STORM CAT another.

Prospector is dead as well, but you seemed to have missed the point of the question. Pick a sire that will produce a sire. Slew had a lousy track record for producing sires except for a handful of regional sires and AP Indy. By the same token, you could have picked Alydar ... and he also sucked for getting bigtime sires.

Elusive City · Postby **Elusive City** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:59 pm

an easy one either

1. Storm Cat or 1A. Sadlers Wells

Top 2 sire or Sires easily alive today and still a stud.

Elusive City · Postby **Elusive City** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:01 pm

[quote="harperstown"]hey come on derby !
do your homework, saddlers wells as a sire of sires ,you are joking arent you, he has had hundreds of attempts (probably thousands) with most of the best mares in the world and his roster of sucessful sons is woefully small.[/quote]

all one has to look for the best horse in the world last year (huricane Run) to see the wells influence.

ak1 · Postby **ak1** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:19 pm

Up until just recently, you could have added Danzig to the list.
Dixieland Band is perhaps one to watch...best to call him a sire of regional sires?

Morningside · Postby **Morningside** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:27 pm

Intrinsic Worth,
nobody was surprised with Montjeu, but people were just amazed that he would sire the winners of that many classics in his first year.
the only reason el prado took so long to become successful was because he was bred to crap mares when he first went to stud. it wasn't until his first few crops started tearing up the track that breeders sent him good mares.
and have you heard of in the wings, yes the sire of singspiel... he was a top stallion before he died, and again, another son of sadlers wells'...
barathea is a solid sire. galileo's first crop is already doing well.
and don't forget king's theatre, carnegie, etc. they may not be top notch stallions, but they are respectable.
i'm sure i've forgotten to mention a bunch more. plus he's got a whole crew of top runners who have just entered stud in the past couple of years. sadler's wells is definitely the real deal.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:20 pm

El Prado has 3 crosses of the late maturing Mahmoud 5 SS X 5 DS X 4 DS.

El Prado has the late maturing stallions Princequillo, Sun Briar and Djeddah which explains why El Prado was a late bloomer.