haHA.. now I see why Rag isn't running.

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Postby bdw0617 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:46 pm

Foggytrip wrote:Ive watched all of Folk's races. At this point she would get her head jerked off by Rags to Riches. They really arent in the same league until Folk beats the best colts in America, or proves her form over here. Last time I checked she got drilled twice in MSW fields before winning here.

Shes a filly of quality, but not the quality of Rags to Riches.


Rags got drilled her first MSW race....

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Postby bdw0617 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:49 pm

The distance would also be a big question mark on her for me.


Maven that is the SOLE reason stopping me from dropping everything i have on this filly. 5 furlongs and a mile plus isn't hte same thing... she wasn't expected to win the UAE Derby.. but the threw in a clunker. was it the class (boys) or the distance..

I'm not high on very many horses.. but watching how she dismantled GOOD horses from across the world. remember, in Dubai, between Jan-April ish.. what better horse racing in the world is there?

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Postby Maven » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:53 pm

I'd still like to know what good dirt horses she "dismantled" that have been competitive in graded company on the main track.
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Postby Foggytrip » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:56 pm

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Postby bdw0617 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:05 pm

Maven wrote:I'd still like to know what good dirt horses she "dismantled" that have been competitive in graded company on the main track.


give me30 minutes, I actually have the race on Tivo

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:31 pm

Getting back to Boca Grande......
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Postby Mahubah » Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:21 am

Folk has shown very good form in Dubai, but Dubai isn't the US and the fields she beat have so far produced nothing that has shown top Northern Hemisphere form. The two South American-bred fillies who followed her closest home had good credentials in their native countries, to be sure, but may or may not have made a fully successful transition to Northern Hemisphere conditions, a process which often takes six months or more; also, I think both had scored their biggest previous wins on turf.

It is true that the races for older horses during the Dubai World Cup festival invariably draw deep fields, but the same cannot be said for the three-year-old races, which seem to be more trials for the Maktoum family's Classic hopefuls than anything else. Last year's UAE Derby, which had two high-class horses in its field in Invasor and Discreet Cat, was the exception and not the rule to judge by the results from horses emerging from previous years' fields.

I expect Folk to be a genuine threat in the CCA Oaks with Rags to Riches out of the race, but the idea that Rags was scratched to avoid her after going head to head with Curlin and Hard Spun seems pretty ludicrous, especially given that Rags is proven over the distance and Folk is not.
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Postby Mahubah » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:11 pm

Not a bad outing for Folk but she looked to me like a filly who needed a race -- not really too surprising considering that this was her first start in over 3-1/2 months. Octave had her measured all the way. Lear's Princess might have been right up there had she not run greenly in the stretch.
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Postby Sam » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:15 pm

I'm thinking things just got tight for Mr. Pletcher. 8)

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Postby bdw0617 » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:36 pm

i was wrong about folk, I admit.


she won't get an easier trip than she had today and that's the best she can do. with that said.. the distance might have been a problem, but still.

Octave is coming along quite nicely

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Postby Foggytrip » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:51 pm

You werent wrong about her. She is a nice filly, shes just no Rags To Riches. I think she was a little fresh and pulling early, I would look for a much improved effort next time. If that race was ran again in 3 weeks she would win

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Postby Maven » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:02 pm

BDW, I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't think Folk is a nice filly. We were just trying to make you come back to reality when you started saying she was better than Rags... that's all. I look for her to improve in her next.
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Postby bdw0617 » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:35 pm

i know what I saw... in a grade 1 you aren't going to get a lead any softer than 48 and change, a rail saving ride, and fade.

she's just not a grade 1 filly. I am enough to admit when I am wrong, as long as I get to bast in glory when i'm right ;)

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Postby Maven » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:48 pm

I dont think you're factoring in the trip from Dubai enough. She may very well be a G1 filly but that trip is often killer, especially for a young filly. It often takes them quite a while to get back into the groove of things. Watch her next out before you jump off her bandwagon.
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Postby TJ » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:48 pm

You really have to give credit to Octave, she is a wonderful filly. Never been worse than 2nd in her life with 2 GR1 wins and 4 GR1 seconds! She gives everything she's got everytime you bring her over there. Any other year and she would be in the thick of it for champion 3YO filly honors. TJ