Goldikova, Breeders Cup Classic or Mile?

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Postby wangkw » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:12 pm

Even on a "friendlier" green, 12f out will exhaust her tank...a good champion does not need to be a true "allrounder"..and has
there been anyone since racing started ?.
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Re: Goldikova, Breeders Cup Classic or Mile?

Postby Strategic Maneuver » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:38 pm

Carlo Algatrensig wrote:Having gone past Miesques record of Group/Grade1 wins after winning the Prix de la Foret at the weekend.

She has won at the highest level from 7 to 9 Furlongs on the turf in Europe and the USA. Does anyone else think that maybe she should try the Classic at the Breeders Cup this year as she has nothing left to prove on the turf and the only thing that could enhance her reputation now is a win on the dirt?


I think this incredible mare has proven all she needs to and just to win again at the mile would be an incredible end to a great career.

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Re: Goldikova, Breeders Cup Classic or Mile?

Postby Carlo Algatrensig » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:01 pm

Strategic Maneuver wrote:
Carlo Algatrensig wrote:Having gone past Miesques record of Group/Grade1 wins after winning the Prix de la Foret at the weekend.

She has won at the highest level from 7 to 9 Furlongs on the turf in Europe and the USA. Does anyone else think that maybe she should try the Classic at the Breeders Cup this year as she has nothing left to prove on the turf and the only thing that could enhance her reputation now is a win on the dirt?


I think this incredible mare has proven all she needs to and just to win again at the mile would be an incredible end to a great career.


I do agree that to win a 3rd mile would be an incredible achievement but I would love to see the best race against the best and given that the best America has are likely to run in the classic it would be great to see her run against them.
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Postby Strategic Maneuver » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:36 pm

Hi C, I totally understand where you are coming from and I am usually wrong, but to take G from 9f on turf to 1 1/4 dirt might not be her best scenario and where her A game is so to speak. Why at this point in her career would you ask that of her?

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Postby Carlo Algatrensig » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:19 pm

Strategic Maneuver wrote:Hi C, I totally understand where you are coming from and I am usually wrong, but to take G from 9f on turf to 1 1/4 dirt might not be her best scenario and where her A game is so to speak. Why at this point in her career would you ask that of her?


Because it is something that she has never done before. Why repeat something when you can try to achieve something that you haven't already. I can understand the temptation to keep her at a mile but if and its a big if I were her owner or trainer I would want to test her in different circumstances and the ultimate would be the BC Classic. Its not as if it would be taking her miles out of her comfort zone. Many "european turf" horses have tried the classic and the horses that have come closest and also won it are those stepping up in trip so in my personal opinion she would have a good chance of doing well in it.
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Postby Strategic Maneuver » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:34 pm

Well there you go, different opinions and each to his/her own. I've run horses over the CD dirt track and while they generally quicken it up for Derby or BC races, it can be a challenge for horses not used to it. If I were her connections I personally wouldn't take her out of her game, but if you wanted to step it up, I would have been more inclined had the BC been running on a poly/whatever track than dirt. Shortly we'll see what her connections have decided what they think is best for her.

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Postby louis finochio » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:19 am

Sydney's Candy has been sold, & will run in the Goldkova mile BC. John Sadler will continue to train.
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Postby Worksoplad » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:28 pm

louis finochio wrote:Sydney's Candy has been sold, & will run in the Goldkova mile BC. John Sadler will continue to train.


I was going to bet SC in the BC Mile, but I personally think that will be asking a lot of SC now. 12 weeks between races is an awfully long time.
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Postby louis finochio » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:15 pm

I know John Sadler will have SC ready on BC day. Goldkova will get pushed to the max by SC. Great match up, lets get it on.
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Postby wangkw » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:14 pm

Goldikova will lift the mile cup on turf. This is both wish and chance.
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Postby reenci » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:42 pm

at a mile and a 1/4...she gets beat...plain and simple....but she is the queen of the world on the green at her best distance...so why even try...AND THEY WONT. going for the three peat ...and she most likely will do it with style.
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Postby reenci » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:44 pm

Carlo Algatrensig wrote:
Strategic Maneuver wrote:Hi C, I totally understand where you are coming from and I am usually wrong, but to take G from 9f on turf to 1 1/4 dirt might not be her best scenario and where her A game is so to speak. Why at this point in her career would you ask that of her?


Because it is something that she has never done before. Why repeat something when you can try to achieve something that you haven't already. I can understand the temptation to keep her at a mile but if and its a big if I were her owner or trainer I would want to test her in different circumstances and the ultimate would be the BC Classic. Its not as if it would be taking her miles out of her comfort zone. Many "european turf" horses have tried the classic and the horses that have come closest and also won it are those stepping up in trip so in my personal opinion she would have a good chance of doing well in it.



sorry but the breeders cup classic is not the spot to change things up and get radical.....good grief. :roll:...and im sorry but with all due respect...you dont change to many things at one time with a horse....it leads to failure.
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Postby Aug27 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:14 am

With Goldikova and Gio Ponti (and others), the Mile is shaping up to be one of the best races in BC history. That's probably my exacta right there. Just can't see her getting beaten, but "stranger things have happened".

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Postby reenci » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:03 am

Aug27 wrote:With Goldikova and Gio Ponti (and others), the Mile is shaping up to be one of the best races in BC history. That's probably my exacta right there. Just can't see her getting beaten, but "stranger things have happened".


you better box that. :wink:
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Postby BenB » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:10 am

I would not rule out paco boy, certainly he was defeated a couple off times by goldikova but on another track , I will certainly takes him in the superfecta