flash point

[bdw0617]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Bd wrote:

I just find it amusing, how dailed in wins a 1 mile holy bull, in a race where every other horse was staggering, then goes 9F and cannot beat a hand me down allowance horse, then flash point runs every horse off his feet in a 7F grade 2 running a 102 beyer, yet everyone KNOWS dialed in can get a route of ground and everyone KNOWS that flash point can't

Credit for having an opinion but you were dead wrong on Dialed In. Jury is out for me on Flashpoint going two turns against top company.

I will eat my crow... there is al;ot i want to say but won't because he did win the race and I don't want to sound like a sore loser. to the victor goes the spoils. I will save my analysis for the derby picks.

I will simply take notice that I was right about to honor and serve . that makes me happy.

[Bast]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

[bdw0617]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

[Bast]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

Prior to the FOY, he won twice by going to the front, including a 1 1/8 mile allowance at Gulfstream in 1:50. Basically, he ran that same race today. In the FOY, he was held off the pace and just wasn't in the hunt.

The last eighth was run in a jaw dropping :13.68--and that was the horses in front, not the critters who finished 8 and 10 lengths back, Flashpoint and Soldat. To me, that says NOTHING in this race shows obvious promise of wanting any part of 1 1/4 miles.

[bdw0617]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

Prior to the FOY, he won twice by going to the front, including a 1 1/8 mile allowance at Gulfstream in 1:50. Basically, he ran that same race today. In the FOY, he was held off the pace and just wasn't in the hunt.

The last eighth was run in a jaw dropping :13.68--and that was the horses in front, not the critters who finished 8 and 10 lengths back, Flashpoint and Soldat. To me, that says NOTHING in this race shows obvious promise of wanting any part of 1 1/4 miles.

you have said pretty much what i was thinking, but won't say because i don't want to come out as a cry baby. the fact is someone has to win the race. everyone can't losthis e, but just because a horse wins a race, doesn't mean it's a good race. was not a good race. half the horses in the race were hyped beyond belief. the best horses in the country right now are in Arkansas and California, with 1 being in new york.

R heat lighting would have won this race, quite easily IMHO, and she wants no part of uncle mo or possibly the factor

[Bast]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

Prior to the FOY, he won twice by going to the front, including a 1 1/8 mile allowance at Gulfstream in 1:50. Basically, he ran that same race today. In the FOY, he was held off the pace and just wasn't in the hunt.

The last eighth was run in a jaw dropping :13.68--and that was the horses in front, not the critters who finished 8 and 10 lengths back, Flashpoint and Soldat. To me, that says NOTHING in this race shows obvious promise of wanting any part of 1 1/4 miles.

you have said pretty much what i was thinking, but won't say because i don't want to come out as a cry baby. the fact is someone has to win the race. everyone can't losthis e, but just because a horse wins a race, doesn't mean it's a good race. was not a good race. half the horses in the race were hyped beyond belief. the best horses in the country right now are in Arkansas and California, with 1 being in new york.

R heat lighting would have won this race, quite easily IMHO, and she wants no part of uncle mo or possibly the factor

If I owned any one of the first 6 horses, I think I would go looking for nice second-tier races for them to win, and let others run their colts into oblivion in Louisville. Winning some nice graded stakes elsewhere would do more for a potential stallion than finishing 17th in the Kentucky Derby, I would think...

[bdw0617]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

Prior to the FOY, he won twice by going to the front, including a 1 1/8 mile allowance at Gulfstream in 1:50. Basically, he ran that same race today. In the FOY, he was held off the pace and just wasn't in the hunt.

The last eighth was run in a jaw dropping :13.68--and that was the horses in front, not the critters who finished 8 and 10 lengths back, Flashpoint and Soldat. To me, that says NOTHING in this race shows obvious promise of wanting any part of 1 1/4 miles.

you have said pretty much what i was thinking, but won't say because i don't want to come out as a cry baby. the fact is someone has to win the race. everyone can't losthis e, but just because a horse wins a race, doesn't mean it's a good race. was not a good race. half the horses in the race were hyped beyond belief. the best horses in the country right now are in Arkansas and California, with 1 being in new york.

R heat lighting would have won this race, quite easily IMHO, and she wants no part of uncle mo or possibly the factor

If I owned any one of the first 6 horses, I think I would go looking for nice second-tier races for them to win, and let others run their colts into oblivion in Louisville. Winning some nice graded stakes elsewhere would do more for a potential stallion than finishing 17th in the Kentucky Derby, I would think...

For long term, I mean, he just won a 1 million dollar grade 1, tip your hat, but i'm taliking hte rest of the year.. winning that race, or even running GOOD in the race, is the worst thing that can happen. say you have shackleford, you run in the Preakness.. off the board, you run in the Belmont, off the board, you run in the jim dandy, off the board.. "but dammit he almost won the Florida derby I know he can go 2 turns".. and what can you say, he's got a point.

If I am going to lose a race like that, leave no doubt lol. Think ice box.. same scenario. he ran good in a bad florida derby and ran 2nd in the worst derby I can remember and everyone thinks he is a legit grade 1 2 turn horse, proceed to run up the track in every race left on the schedule. and he would get bet down in every race because "he almost won the derby"

[Joltman]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

Prior to the FOY, he won twice by going to the front, including a 1 1/8 mile allowance at Gulfstream in 1:50. Basically, he ran that same race today. In the FOY, he was held off the pace and just wasn't in the hunt.

The last eighth was run in a jaw dropping :13.68--and that was the horses in front, not the critters who finished 8 and 10 lengths back, Flashpoint and Soldat. To me, that says NOTHING in this race shows obvious promise of wanting any part of 1 1/4 miles.

ditto. Great to see Shackleford hang on, but none of these looked the part to me. Fillies ran faster yesterday

jm

[zinn21]

I liked the way Shackleford dug in and he galloped out like a horse moving forward. He's a player in my Derby superfecta. I believe he now has the graded earnings for the Derby as well.

I still like Uncle Mo to win the Derby but not real confident with such minimal seasoning. If he busts in the Wood this Derby is wide open. Exotics will pay a fortune..

[Bast]

I liked the way Shackleford dug in and he galloped out like a horse moving forward. He's a player in my Derby superfecta. I believe he now has the graded earnings for the Derby as well.

Graded earnings won't make him any faster.

[bdw0617]

i don't know if 200k is going to be enough

[zinn21]

Just checked the Derby earnings and he won't likely make it. He is tied for 20th based on 3-27-11 earnings which will change come tomorrow..

[Coax Me Chad]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

Prior to the FOY, he won twice by going to the front, including a 1 1/8 mile allowance at Gulfstream in 1:50. Basically, he ran that same race today. In the FOY, he was held off the pace and just wasn't in the hunt.

The last eighth was run in a jaw dropping :13.68--and that was the horses in front, not the critters who finished 8 and 10 lengths back, Flashpoint and Soldat. To me, that says NOTHING in this race shows obvious promise of wanting any part of 1 1/4 miles.

you have said pretty much what i was thinking, but won't say because i don't want to come out as a cry baby. the fact is someone has to win the race. everyone can't losthis e, but just because a horse wins a race, doesn't mean it's a good race. was not a good race. half the horses in the race were hyped beyond belief. the best horses in the country right now are in Arkansas and California, with 1 being in new york.

R heat lighting would have won this race, quite easily IMHO, and she wants no part of uncle mo or possibly the factor

Good of you to man up. The only problem I have with the original statement is that you never stated you had problems with numerous horses getting a route of ground. You had concerns that only one horse in the race could not accomplish that feat, and it turned out to be the eventual winner.

I stated, and was proven correct that Soldat's only off the pace running was done over the lawn. That experiment came back to bite them, and I still believe he may have been the winner if they simply put him on the lead on the first turn. Overall however I agree with your assessment; we probably learned very little here about any of these.

[bdw0617]

How about Shackleford with a monster race?

Look at his race prior to the Fountain of Youth.

did they change styles with him?

does he have enough to get in the derby?

Prior to the FOY, he won twice by going to the front, including a 1 1/8 mile allowance at Gulfstream in 1:50. Basically, he ran that same race today. In the FOY, he was held off the pace and just wasn't in the hunt.

The last eighth was run in a jaw dropping :13.68--and that was the horses in front, not the critters who finished 8 and 10 lengths back, Flashpoint and Soldat. To me, that says NOTHING in this race shows obvious promise of wanting any part of 1 1/4 miles.

you have said pretty much what i was thinking, but won't say because i don't want to come out as a cry baby. the fact is someone has to win the race. everyone can't losthis e, but just because a horse wins a race, doesn't mean it's a good race. was not a good race. half the horses in the race were hyped beyond belief. the best horses in the country right now are in Arkansas and California, with 1 being in new york.

R heat lighting would have won this race, quite easily IMHO, and she wants no part of uncle mo or possibly the factor

Good of you to man up. The only problem I have with the original statement is that you never stated you had problems with numerous horses getting a route of ground. You had concerns that only one horse in the race could not accomplish that feat, and it turned out to be the eventual winner.

I stated, and was proven correct that Soldat's only off the pace running was done over the lawn. That experiment came back to bite them, and I still believe he may have been the winner if they simply put him on the lead on the first turn. Overall however I agree with your assessment; we probably learned very little here about any of these.

not in this particular post but everyonere pretty much knows what i think of the horses, which is not much