Bluesthestandard is officially SCRATCHED . . . . . . .

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Postby Sysonby » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:47 pm

austique wrote:If you have an issue with the way the horse is being managed, buy him and support him. Otherwise, stay out of it. Nobody seemed to have an issue when Baffert was pushing Point Given's crippled ass down the track.


You summed up what I was thinking but more eloquently. Keyboard hysterics is not a good thing in my view especially based on unsubstantiated rumor.

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Postby Indychase » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:31 pm

You know, I saw his last race and though he looked pretty bad. He's retired now so the debate about whether he was sound or not is moot. Thank you to Sobel, Hess, and Mulhall for retiring this old warrior. Kudos to all of them.

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Postby Heidilady » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:24 pm

Sysonby wrote:
austique wrote:If you have an issue with the way the horse is being managed, buy him and support him. Otherwise, stay out of it. Nobody seemed to have an issue when Baffert was pushing Point Given's crippled ass down the track.


You summed up what I was thinking but more eloquently. Keyboard hysterics is not a good thing in my view especially based on unsubstantiated rumor.


If people wanna stay out of it on their own, fine, but I have a right to my opinion and I'll have it whether you like it or not. Don't comment on it--ignore the thread if you don't think it outta be commented on. And again, don't defend without proof either. Just like you can't go after someone without proof. And telling someone to go buy a horse if you don't like how it's being treated is stupid. How about making them treat the horse better...oh yeah that idea sucks. It's like saying if you don't like how someone's treating a kid, adopt it...how about call DSS..there's an option...get someone supposedly looking out for the welfare of the horse or child to do it. Shocking I know to actually have welfare standards. And just so you know, Hollywood Park most definitely DID check into the rumors..didn't comment on them for or against afterward (who wants to be sued) but said they respect the fans' concern and took it seriously. So someone actually involved in looking out for horses paid attention to this stuff and didn't tell fans to 'go buy the horse if you don't like it..' So I'd say you don't win that argument.

Edited to add: See post below, apparently Kristin Mulhall felt like I did months ago with Bluesthestandard and she DID give the horse a home. Those with enough money can retire horses but some of us have student loans and mortgages...doesn't mean we can't care.
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Postby Heidilady » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:34 pm

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/todays ... 3&subsec=2

Pressured into scratching him eh? Bah humbug. If the horse's fine you run. Weird that the high levels were the ones putting on the heat. I guess their ears were burning after phone calls. The thing is I get annoyed when they cave to something if nothing's wrong and I get mad when they don't and something is. I'm just confused how to react.

Way to go Kristin Mulhall. I'm glad she too felt concerned that he was on the way down. If they get to the highest levels, it's just so sad to watch a downfall. If they start there and they just never were very good, that's another thing. Those races are for horses who weren't capable of running at higher levels or those needing a confidence boost IMHO. Others disagree but oh well. She who knows them personally vouched for the owner so that's worth more than people who aren't at that level telling people to stop questioning.
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Postby Sysonby » Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:54 am

Sure you can have an opinion but, as noted, you are expressing an opinion garnered reading Internet rumors which is contrary to that of the the people who own, train and see the horse every day--which is pretty arrogant if you ask me. You guys run to Louis all the time to describe horses and in this instance, he says the horse is OK but now you don't want to believe him.

This horse was owned by a man who had Blues before any of you ever heard of him. Who's to say this wasn't a retirement situation--at the appropriate time. But you guys, typing on keyboards, thousands of miles away, made that decision for him. That is mob rule and if you are comfortable with that, wait until it happens to you.

And we can't comment on something you post Heidilady? If that isn't arrogant, I don't know what is.

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Postby Kristie » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:27 pm

He won his last race out and was claimed for $12,500 by someone who had owned him in partnership before and was/is probably VERY fond of him. The trainer was totally smeared on message boards over a rumor the horse was unsound - certainly not verified. These same people spreading unfounded rumors called the Powers that Be with Lord knows what kind of bad publicity threats and whatnot. The trainer says the horse is sound and put him in a race that he felt the horse would be totally competitive in. According to the trainer, the horse is happy in his job and loves to run. What is the harm in that? But now with all the scrutiny by the cyber public and the heat placed upon the racing officials and the trainer's and owner's names now being spread from board to board as totally unfeeling, uncaring, only in it for the money pigs...........they had no choice but to scratch him. Every time we send a horse out on the track we take a risk they might break down, no matter how healthy they are at the beginning. So, no matter how healthy the horse is, they simply can't risk something going wrong at this point. These attacks by the cyber boards are totally out of line. Talk about unfounded character smearing. Geez. I've read as much as I could find about the situation and there has not been one bona fide FACT that the horse was/is unsound. Only rumor and innuendo and character assasination. What a shame.

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Postby louis finochio » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:36 pm

Thats why it is always better to tell the truth than to make up fantasy tales. Amen.
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Postby Heidilady » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:42 pm

Sysonby wrote:And we can't comment on something you post Heidilady? If that isn't arrogant, I don't know what is.


My point was if you don't like what I say but it's my opinion, offer your contradictory view but don't tell me to shut up. You're better off saying nothing if all you can think of is to tell someone where to stick their free speech. All some folks are doing is going on and on about how it's all rumor and to stop with the character assassination but it's only that, in my opinion, if it's wrong information. If you can't show that it's in error for sure, then why bother arguing in defense of someone beyond pointing out that it's rumor once instead however bloody many times we have on this thread. Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson were both victims of rumor too if you wanna play that game. Innocent until proven guilty is legal system jargon...has nothing whatsoever to do with public opinion, fortunately or unfortunately. People have opinions based on people, foreign policy, domestic policy, animals, you name it that aren't entirely justified but tides turn on public opinion.

I just got through doing a presentation on the death penalty for underaged defendents and the mentally handicapped, showing the changes over the last 15 years or so. Did you realize that it was partially decided, significantly so, based on consensus? As in 'what do the American people (and in the end the global population too) feel on this?' In theory, it's either right or it's wrong but how people felt about an issue even if it was based on cultural peer pressure, became the consensus to end the practice. I guess some might argue that the justices should make a decision without factoring that in but they do it and have for decades and if it's good enough for the US Supreme Court....that's what I'm saying. Peer pressure can save lives as evidenced here or it can ruin them. Definitely though it shapes the "real world" and that's a fact.
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Postby Kristie » Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:13 am

Like it or not, horseracing IS a business. We try to do the best we can for the horses, as it usually turns out best for the owner and the trainer in the long run. In this instance, because of Unsubstantiated rumor (yeah, I hear the reliable sources stuff, but no one's named names or what the problems were, while the NAMES of the owner and the trainer were called garbage for entering the horse). I have yet to see a FIRST HAND account on any of these boards from these "reliable sources". Until one of these persons comes forward on a public forum and offers proof, I'll have to continue to believe this is/was unsubstantiated rumor. So, unbelievable heat was placed upon this owner and trainer and they're gonna risk their livlihoods on a $10,000 claiming race? I don't think so. Yes, I believe they were pressured to retire the horse. Now these public forums have caused the owner to lose the initial $12,500 he spent to claim the horse, plus the training, vet, farrier bills he's accrued since then. I don't see any of these people who called them garbage offering to compensate them for their loss. There are soooooo many games played in the claiming ranks. I've seen horses walked over in "ice bandages" so people would think they were running sore. They weren't. I've seen equipment changes to suggest they're trying to overcome problems. I've heard comments such as he's on "such and such" and other rumors - same as I've heard other people mention. You just can't take rumors and run with them. Yes, I would hope that no trainer or owner would run a hurting horse, but that decision HAS to be made by the people who have their hands on the horse every day, not by backside rumors and public forums. I apologize for the rant, but this situation was so unfair that it makes me livid. I hate to see someone tried and convicted and railroaded by a public forum without adequate knowledge into decisions not of their choosing.

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Postby Heidilady » Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:37 pm

It's just that that strikes me as a live by the sword, die by the sword kind of thing. If you're willing to use rumor to play the game, if it comes back to bite you, sorry but you asked for it. I would imagine that even if Blue's connections were in the right, they outta be able to understand how rumor can work against them as easily as for them--I'm sure his various owners have made up stuff hoping he wouldn't get claimed. If it feels bad to be the victim of rumor in the claiming ranks, then they aren't the lone rangers it would appear.

Bottom line: You shouldn't run a horse you don't want to risk losing and if your lies trying to keep the horse end up causing you a problem, well that's the game at that level.
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