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[Shammy Davis]

I'm sorry about the way they've treated you. Shoot, even if they treated you like royalty, I'd definitely think about moving just because another hurricane season is in sight. There are a great many race tracks across NA that will be delighted to have you. Good luck, whatever you decide.

[tammysinnett]

I think you would love it here---I am just starting out and everyone has been so helpful and kind----even at the track ---but I am not a trainer--hey we are looking for a good trainer that will put up with a group of us that are trying our luck..if you get here .....let us know!!!!

[Shammy Davis]

Talk about a climate change. From LA to IL. Brrrrrrrrrr.

[klbash2000]

A certain jockey rode my filly in LA in a race she had a very good shot of winning. He cut her flanks in the gate and brought her in 7th with blood literally dripping off her sides. Another person I knew had his horses pulled in almost every LA race until coming back to KY and they immediately began winning at the same levels (and higher). Unfortunately it's a known fact around the LA racing circles, you don't make waves and you pay your dues before the riders will let your horse run. It really sucks but the retribution for not playing their way is serious as you've unfortunately found out. And, also unfortunately, it's probably not fixable at this point so you are probably doing the right thing to move to another track where you can get a fair shot.

[JimbleBrimble]

Been trying to enter horses in races at La downs for a few weeks.strangely enough no jockey i name is ever free and when they are they take off last minute and i have to scratch....Just found the truth today in fack an hour ago.went to the racing office to enter,go tru the"this one already named,this one not available shit again"turned around to the crowd behind me(90%agents and trainers)and ask okay there are about 20 jockeys here and only 8 horses entered so far,there has to be one free...come on all of you agents do not have calls on every jockeys in that race(may be they ride tandem?..)and one of them with more balls than the others said very loud so everyone would here:"no one will ride your horses here"so i said does it mean i have to import a jockey to ride my horses?and then :"even if you do you won't get anywhere near the wiining post here,go to another state"i called the stewards that were upstairs for racing and told them what is this?nobody will ride my horses?and the answer was move out of here and good luck,we don't need any outsider to tell us how to apply the rules.This is the most prejudiced,macho,unfair place i have ever been to.i went to Florida,Kentucky,New Jersey,Pennsylvania,Canada,New-York,California and never was treated like that.They have a little game going on and sure don't want anyone to mess it up...i ran a first time starter that ran next to last,in his next start with a very bottom of the heap jockey the horse is favourite in the paddock...third favourite at the post...finish last(broke really well was 4th in the first turn and strangely stopped and gallopped the rest (his under belly near his privates were all swollen after the race from being whipped there but not one mark on his ass...?)and a long shot wins...somebody made a killing with that race...so anybody wants a hell of a good deal on a training center?i am going back to the racing states,and wonder how to force them to clean their act?

running a horse barefoot(it is permitted in the Louisiana rule book and did not even get a second notice in Florida,Kentucky,California or Canada),and being from another country,an older woman,training 7 days a week,no drugs(no prerace).this is the first place i run where you gallop the wrong way in the morning,you can show up at the racetrack with your horse in the trailer just before they call your race to the paddock(no pre-race inspection),everyone do their own prerace,double lasix go unnoticed,bute morning of night race(8cc) and banamine(10cc)24 hours before a race won't test,milkshakes are done in the receiving barns and you can find needles and discarted seringues in those stalls after the races...very lame horses go to the post,paddock vet is not even looking and our leading trainer is a man suspended in other states for drug use?(he also hold the record for number of breakdowns....)..he was even fined heavily(in the 7 figures) here for hiring illegal workers and having illegal stuff in his tack room but that did not stop him from running any day.Some powerful organisation should look closer at this place....it is scandalous.But it is not going to be me that blow the whisle for sure :as another trainer who avoids Ladowns but run at Evangelines told me this is :"The dukes of hazards county"your barn will burn or your horses will die,or else,so just shut up and go away or lay low like me(his place is for sale too...).

This is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read at Pedigreequery.com!!

First of all, the first time starter she cites was Noble And Strong, who made his second start on May 19, 2006 in the 9th race at Louisiana Downs. (for the record, Noble And Strong worked six furlongs in 1:20 on July 2 at Louisiana Downs)

She says it was 3rd favorite at the post. In fact it was 10-1 and the 5th choice.

She says a long shot won "... and somebody made a killing...". The factual reality is that the 8-to-5 favorite won by 16 lengths with a 5-to-1 shot running second.

Additional facts are these:

Sylvie Hebert sent her first thoroughbred starter to post thirteen years ago and has yet to have a finisher in the top four!!!

Fully 61% of her starters have returned with a speed figure of "zero" (or below, if you want to call it that).

She has had one finisher in the top seven since 1993, and that was in an eight-horse field.

In most of her starts her runners lost by at least 25 lengths.

Sylvie Hebert took a mare (Contare's Doll) who had been off since 1994 back to the track after eight years (!!!!) , as a 12-y-o for one final start at Tampa Bay Downs, where it finished last of nine on January 10, 2003.

I cannot believe that someone like this is trying to discredit racing, and that so many of the rest of you are eager to leap in to defend her when various agents don't want to risk their meal tickets to ride horses who have little or no upside potential.

If you were hearing these tales of deceit and dishonesty from a trainer whose record had made her or him a proven success then I could understand giving such a person the time of day. Until then, at least understand just what you're buying-into before you try to defend such slander.

Granted anyone probably has the right to attempt to race a thoroughbred in one way or another, but as jockeys are independent contractors, they certainly have zero obligation to ride for any outfit they deem unworthy.

Stop defending this absurdity!!!

[austique]

Jimble,

Her record aside, I've been down there and I've seen how things work. We had a local rider in our employ, so we had an in and were mostly left alone until we decided to fire said rider and move home. We were witness to several cases of intimidation lodged against trainers down there. Now I'm speaking of Evangeline solely and I would imagine the bigger tracks don't have as big an issue, but I certainly wouldn't advise staying where one's not wanted and I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone stay around Evangeline if you're not wanted. The natives aren't exactly friendly down there when you p*** them off.

[JimbleBrimble]

Oh stop it. We're talking about someone who has saddled just one starter at Evangeline Downs in her life. The horse finished eighth of ten, earned a speed figure of "3", and was never in the race.

It was a five-year-old maiden who was zero-for-sixteen coming in.

Do you seriously believe that "intimidation" was the cause of that horse finishing eighth?

[austique]

Jimble,

You'll notice that my original advice was that Sylvie should leave. I made no assumptions about her training skils or the ability of her horses. My advice was "If you've got an issue down there and people are mad...leave." I would have said that if she had saddled a hundred winners or none. Its not a place you can hang in if you're an outsider and they don't want you there.

If you read my post I never said her horse didn't run well because of the atmosphere down there (Personally I could care less), but it would be foolish to not suggest she leave given her current circumstances and what I know of the area.

[zinn21]

Jimble, thanks for posting. Sounds like bad training created a conspiracy.

[Sylvie Hebert]

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[madelyn]

Wow, Sylvie, you took Rosinsky?? You must be a saint.

[Sylvie Hebert]

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[Shammy Davis]

This site is becoming a tough venue to express your thoughts on. Between the vitriolic PM's from the "out west" dude and "in the your face, watch my attitude" responses" that are becoming more common, you've got to be a "saint" just to offer a suggestion or comment and then withstand the sniping and sarcasm of people you don't even know. I really never thought this thread was that explosive. Most everyone made the suggestion that if things weren't working out that the trainer move on. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've not got time to research the truthfulness, credits, and objectives of every post I respond to. To be honest, I wish I could take some of the responses back, not because they were invalid but because the information was not appropriately used. In the past, I got the feeling that most individuals responded to be helpful. It is apparent that courtesy and respect needs to return to these messages. The board has a lot to offer everyone. I've certainly gotten great deal of positive insight and information off of it. I can only hope that my comments for the most part have been helpful and supportive. Why don't we all take a deep breath. If you want to clear the air on a subject, clean up your language and post the facts without all kinds of accusations and disparaging remarks.

[JimbleBrimble]

[quote="Sylvie Hebert"]you can say i was not very lucky...but i do not lie [/quote]


[quote="Sylvie Hebert"]i ran a first time starter that ran next to last,in his next start with a very bottom of the heap jockey the horse is favourite in the paddock...third favourite at the post...finish last(broke really well was 4th in the first turn and strangely stopped and gallopped the rest (his under belly near his privates were all swollen after the race from being whipped there but not one mark on his ass...?)and a long shot wins...somebody made a killing with that race...[/quote]


Is this merely a "falsehood" then?? and not a lie??


Nobody here has a protest of any training record you want to compile, but you have clearly implied race-fixing and a lack of integrity in Louisiana racing. Once you do that, certainly your facts need to be checked by independent parties and so far your claims are in grave error.


As for the rest of you who confuse "sniping and sarcasm" with factual reality, you're just plain out of place. Someone who has "not got time" for (factual reality) in cases of severe slander of the racing industry certainly seems to have plenty of time to beat a proverbial dead horse.

What person in his or her right mind could blame a jockey agent for not accepting a mount from a barn that has been training since 1993 without finishing in the money?

Makes you wonder just who she was "protecting" by taking out a trainer's license.

[Sylvie Hebert]

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