Another breakdown at Del Mar

[bdw0617]

The students of pedigree that handicapped for turf, will do best if they apply the same for PT. As I watched the pedigrees of the winners there was a high percentage of winners on P T that had turf ancestors. I will be watching the pedigrees of those winners at Oak Tree cushion track and see if the same holds true for that surface.

that's not necessarily true. it's the biggest myth going on the track now.

just beucase you like grass doesn't mean you like rubber. POly is it's on unique surface. there are some dirt horses that love it, some turf horses that love it.

what works for me is very simple.. I won't bet a horse who hasn't run on poly track... it's going to be at least 10 years or so before we are able to get true polytrack breds

[docjocoy]

BDW: I was at Del Mar for 4 days last month, and while I am no pro, I've been handicapping for fun for 30 years and really had a hard time with the polytrack. I also would not bet a first timer on poly, but frankly there seemed to be no rhyme or reason for who won and who didn't. First timers won, horses that finished a zillion lenths back in their last start won, horses that looked like they liked the poly in their last starts lost. It was quite discouraging. I finally gave up and just bet the turf races.

[Indychase]

Death toll is up to 14.

Then why is the published toll 11? Why would the San Diego Union Tribune, no friend to Del Mar in the past, fail to publish the correct figure?

Fatalities down
The number of fatal injuries for the meeting was 11, compared with 18 in 2006. There were six fatal breakdowns on the new Polytrack surface, four in morning training and two in afternoon racing, and five on the Jimmy Durante turf course, four during racing and one in a morning workout. In 2006, there were 14 fatal breakdowns on the dirt main track and four on the turf. Ten fatalities came in afternoon racing, eight in morning training.

(this was published 9/6/07, so it should include the 3 from last weekend)

[bdw0617]

BDW: I was at Del Mar for 4 days last month, and while I am no pro, I've been handicapping for fun for 30 years and really had a hard time with the polytrack. I also would not bet a first timer on poly, but frankly there seemed to be no rhyme or reason for who won and who didn't. First timers won, horses that finished a zillion lenths back in their last start won, horses that looked like they liked the poly in their last starts lost. It was quite discouraging. I finally gave up and just bet the turf races.

I remember the race. it was an allowence x1. Poly, 1 mile. a horse that literary.. hadn't finished within 15 lengths in 5 starts, came up and won driving... and it wasn't so much he was that much better, the horses were spinning their wheels in the stretch

afte that race I promptly threw away the rest of my picks the rest of the day and went and got some ice cream. I've had it ever since with that damn track.

the turf is just as bad. it's hard as a rock.

Santa Anita is the most consistent track of the 3. I can play hollywood, but some of their lower level events can get out of hand. 15 horse fields with 8 first time starters.. i'm out.

None can match the consistany and the host of stupid betters like churchill however. I don't know what I would do without Churchill. The only place where a horse that finished within a length of the winner int he same class can go off at 16 to 1 and then everyone wonder why he won by 5 the next out.

[bdw0617]

Death toll is up to 14.

Then why is the published toll 11? Why would the San Diego Union Tribune, no friend to Del Mar in the past, fail to publish the correct figure?

Fatalities down
The number of fatal injuries for the meeting was 11, compared with 18 in 2006. There were six fatal breakdowns on the new Polytrack surface, four in morning training and two in afternoon racing, and five on the Jimmy Durante turf course, four during racing and one in a morning workout. In 2006, there were 14 fatal breakdowns on the dirt main track and four on the turf. Ten fatalities came in afternoon racing, eight in morning training.

(this was published 9/6/07, so it should include the 3 from last weekend)

boy if it DOESN'T include thoose 3, Joe Harper better get on a broomstick and get the hell out of dodge

[Tucumcari]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/de ... aths.html#

Sorry I forgot about this thread

[Tucumcari]

They posted the eleven before the end of the meet wich might have been a wee bit ambitious... They likely ought to have waited till the last day and the last race.

[Indychase]

They posted the eleven before the end of the meet wich might have been a wee bit ambitious... They likely ought to have waited till the last day and the last race.

I'm not following you. So are you saying that the 11 does not include the 3 from the weekend? Because everything I've read says the 11 does include the 3 from the weekend. I'm not aware of any breakdowns from Monday or Wednesday -- are you saying there were unreported breakdowns from those two days?

[Indychase]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/delmarraces/20070903-9999-1s3newdeaths.html#

Sorry I forgot about this thread

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/de ... bests.html

[Tucumcari]

The oringinal article posted on this thread was posted on September 1st. The end of the meet was the 5th... and they were indeed premature as the three mentioned (11+3= 14) in the article I just posted was I believe the third of September which I believe, that still left two racing and 2+ training days... so still a yes on they were premature in pronouncing anything from any mountain top.

[bdw0617]

so basically 9 million dollars plus feature revenvations, running off all your valuable prized clientale to save 4 deaths.. now I'm not putting a price on top of the horses heads, but I've had to watch the worst racing I've seen in my life with the promise of saving lives.... that is not a big enough different to say its' even polytrack

if you can tuc, tell me how many deaths were at Santa anita earlier this meet? what about hollywood?

[Tucumcari]

I can't... there were plenty at Santa Anita and too many at Hollywood

[Indychase]

The oringinal article posted on this thread was posted on September 1st. The end of the meet was the 5th... and they were indeed premature as the three mentioned (11+3= 14) in the article I just posted was I believe the third of September which I believe, that still left two racing and 2+ training days... so still a yes on they were premature in pronouncing anything from any mountain top.

Jay Privman is also reporting the 11 -- I can't belive this many people can't add. Don't you find it a little strange that you're the only one reporting 14?

[Tucumcari]

Believe what ever you want. Quite frankly I don't care... read the articles, note the days they were written and then do the math.

[Indychase]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/delmarraces/20070903-9999-1s3newdeaths.html#

Sorry I forgot about this thread

This article reports 6 on poly 5 on turf, and that 6 includes Hanalei Honey, Swedish Radar, and Waitingonasunnyday, the 3 you claim makes 14. The article you posted was from Monday, September 3rd. It covers the weekend!

"The three catastrophic injuries doubled the total on Polytrack, installed over the winter, to six in 41 days of a 43-day meeting that concludes with programs today and Wednesday – four in morning training and two in afternoon races. There have also been five fatal breakdowns on the Jimmy Durante Turf Course, four in afternoon races and one in morning training. "

So unless you are saying there were 3 breakdowns on Monday and Wednesday, the final 2 days of racing, I don't see where you get 14.