I've been rooting for Casino Drive to win the Belmont since last summer, so it's hard to switch horses now. I also really don't like that BB's being hustled off to the breeders shed so early. How can the general public come to know, root for and love a horse when he disappears so fast? I think this is a huge disservice to the sport.
That said, as for BB, the horse, I've grown to like him despite my bias against him, so I'll be pleased if he does make history, just wish they'd give him a shot at making MORE history if he wins and a chance for a fan base to grow for him and for the sport.
But, come Belmont day, I'll be shrieking 'go casino drive, go' because his mom is such a mare.
Okay.. Casino Drive or Big Brown, whose side are you on?
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Big Brown by at least twenty lengths. His high cruising speed and his ability to accelerate late in a race put him right up with Secretariat at his stage in his career. If you put a clock on his Preakness burst I bet he covered a sixteenth in 5 and 2/5 when he exploded away at the top of the lane. Gary Stevens was awestruck when he watched his burst from the overhead camera.
bb's preakness
I really feel he could have approached the Preakness record had he been pressed. Instead, he just cantered in.
I think he will dust off CD with just a little more difficulty than he has the rest of the 3 yo's. Hopefully, CD will offer enough to perhaps approach 2:26, the second best Belmont time, shared by A.P. Indy and ??? I went blank. This may be his only opportunity for us to see just how much he has. I think his Derby time would have approached 2:00 flat had he not gone 3 and 4 wide throught most of the race.
I think he will dust off CD with just a little more difficulty than he has the rest of the 3 yo's. Hopefully, CD will offer enough to perhaps approach 2:26, the second best Belmont time, shared by A.P. Indy and ??? I went blank. This may be his only opportunity for us to see just how much he has. I think his Derby time would have approached 2:00 flat had he not gone 3 and 4 wide throught most of the race.
You've been rooting for Casino Drive since last summer? I thought he had 2 lifetime outs, the second being the Peter Pan a couple of weeks ago.
I wonder why Big Brown is so hard to back? He's had five wins out of five starts, which he has won by a combined 39 lengths. Though he is always coasting on the end, his winning times have been fine. He ran the last 3/16 in the Preakness in 19 and change, among the fastest in history, while seriously gearing down the last 1/16th.
He's a great looking horse, who has a happy, confident demeanor, and appears to be enjoying every minute of his job. His trainer is a big, goofy loudmouth, who eventually begins to grow on you, and he is also having the time of his life.
If you saw the aerial view of him zooming away from the field, then laugh and yell, and celebrate Brown, and hope you get to see it again. It's a rare blast to watch a horse like him.
I wonder why Big Brown is so hard to back? He's had five wins out of five starts, which he has won by a combined 39 lengths. Though he is always coasting on the end, his winning times have been fine. He ran the last 3/16 in the Preakness in 19 and change, among the fastest in history, while seriously gearing down the last 1/16th.
He's a great looking horse, who has a happy, confident demeanor, and appears to be enjoying every minute of his job. His trainer is a big, goofy loudmouth, who eventually begins to grow on you, and he is also having the time of his life.
If you saw the aerial view of him zooming away from the field, then laugh and yell, and celebrate Brown, and hope you get to see it again. It's a rare blast to watch a horse like him.
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I think everyone is not jumping on board for BB because of equal parts Dutrow, IEAH, Three Chimneys and the fact that he is unlikely to campaign into his 4th year and maybe not even the end of his 3rd year. This is, of course, very atypical for a Triple Crown winner. The abscence of competition doesn't help either. None of these things are his fault, though, and he really is a very nice horse.
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what gets me from a handicapping angle, is when people find out well.. this is pretty much what I do for a living and I'm relaitivly successful at it. Then when they ask me about a particular situtation, they throw my rationale out the wind, becuase "I just don't see how great big brown is"
listen to me when I say, that big brown hasn't bfaced a horse that is within 4-5 lengths as good as casino drive. Casino Drive and Big Brown are heads and sholders better than the rest of this crop. So those of you who are thinking that he is going to ROMP home or "have very little effort" to win the race, or think he is going to give a big redesque performance on the 1st saturday in june.. um.. no.
I'm not even saying he won't win. I'm just saying that when you compare the ease of victories, and hell even numbers, big brown and casino drive are on the exact same level. both are 105-110 esque beyer horses. I'm sure both could run better if exerted. there isn't another horse in the field I think will crack a 100 beyer in the belmont.
I'm not saying Casino Drive will win. I'm not Saying Big Brown will. I AM saying that the difference between the two, in which ever favor, can be measured in feet.
listen to me when I say, that big brown hasn't bfaced a horse that is within 4-5 lengths as good as casino drive. Casino Drive and Big Brown are heads and sholders better than the rest of this crop. So those of you who are thinking that he is going to ROMP home or "have very little effort" to win the race, or think he is going to give a big redesque performance on the 1st saturday in june.. um.. no.
I'm not even saying he won't win. I'm just saying that when you compare the ease of victories, and hell even numbers, big brown and casino drive are on the exact same level. both are 105-110 esque beyer horses. I'm sure both could run better if exerted. there isn't another horse in the field I think will crack a 100 beyer in the belmont.
I'm not saying Casino Drive will win. I'm not Saying Big Brown will. I AM saying that the difference between the two, in which ever favor, can be measured in feet.
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I don't think it will be Secretariatesque but I think A.P. Indyesque is definitely possible. Jazil and Rags to Riches were both around 2:28, Jazil a little under and Rags a little over, and I am sure this will not be good enough to beat Big Brown. If CD runs like his siblings, he will lose by at least 5 lengths.
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Re: bb's preakness
jagger wrote:Hopefully, CD will offer enough to perhaps approach 2:26, the second best Belmont time, shared by A.P. Indy and ??? I went blank. This may be his only opportunity for us to see just how much he has. I think his Derby time would have approached 2:00 flat had he not gone 3 and 4 wide throught most of the race.
Easy Goer also had a 2:26 Belmont.
Despite his no T.C. status, from a near record breaking mile speed to his effortless victory at the Belmont, he is near the top of my list for the best horses of recent time.
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Surprised he did not have a better career at stud.
It's kind of hard for a stallion to have a good career at stud if he dies at age eight from anaphylactic shock. Other than that, he got some spectacular horses.
It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age he had been dead for two years.
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Bloodhorse reported that 'he burned a little bit (behind)' but Dutrow said it wasn't a problem.
Tiz, re: rooting for CD since last summer - actually I was rooting for Better than Honour's next offspring - didn't really think he'd be in any of the triple crown races, as he was in Japan - hoped he'd wow them over there. I kept waiting to hear about him as a 2 yr old & didn't, but then I read in late feb that he won his first race in Japan by 12 lengths under a hand ride and was pointing to the Belmont, and my thought was how cool is that? No logic or analysis involved - more like you root for your favorite football or baseball team. I'm just a fan of thoroughbred racing and I enjoy learning more about it by reading here.
Tiz, re: rooting for CD since last summer - actually I was rooting for Better than Honour's next offspring - didn't really think he'd be in any of the triple crown races, as he was in Japan - hoped he'd wow them over there. I kept waiting to hear about him as a 2 yr old & didn't, but then I read in late feb that he won his first race in Japan by 12 lengths under a hand ride and was pointing to the Belmont, and my thought was how cool is that? No logic or analysis involved - more like you root for your favorite football or baseball team. I'm just a fan of thoroughbred racing and I enjoy learning more about it by reading here.
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I guess I throw your logic out the window because you make some good points but you always make them "matter of fact" instead of "in my opinion". If you think Big Brown and Casino Drive are feet apart, the added 10 pounds that Casino Drive must carry in the Belmont makes the gap a lot wider. The added distance widens the gap even further. These two horses, in my opinion, are nowhere near equal in demonstrated ability and come the first Saturday in June you will see the 12th Triple Crown winner standing in the winner's circle.
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I guess I throw your logic out the window because you make some good points but you always make them "matter of fact" instead of "in my opinion". If you think Big Brown and Casino Drive are feet apart, the added 10 pounds that Casino Drive must carry in the Belmont makes the gap a lot wider. The added distance widens the gap even further. These two horses, in my opinion, are nowhere near equal in demonstrated ability and come the first Saturday in June you will see the 12th Triple Crown winner standing in the winner's circle.
DDT