Dutrow gets 15 days ...

[JCBloodstock]

This is actually Dutrow's 73rd violation for illegal practices at a track

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/hors ... 744.column

Asmussen has 22 offenses................

[Sysonby]

This is actually Dutrow's 73rd violation for illegal practices at a track

Crist looked at the same data and found something different.

http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2008/06/ ... sheet.html

[madelyn]

In Crist's list, Dutrow seems guilty of extreme stupidity, rather than drugs.

[serenarider]

I would like to know why the fines are all over the place for the same things. Like 1/20/2008 FL Phenylbutazone overage $500 and 1/26/2007 FL Phenylbutazone overage $250 fine.

[Sysonby]

Just a guess but either different levels or a second offense maybe.

[Roger]

In Texas the first offense is something like $250 and the second is $500 and then it jumps really big for any more bute.

[Barbaro06]

Well Dutrow just won the Suburban H. with a 40-1 shot named Frost Giant. Owned by IEAH. To say the least, I wasn't happy with the result....

[JCBloodstock]

Actually the Baltimore Sun article did mention 13 drug related offenses.But here is the whole reality to any violation,it is still something that warranted investigation by stewards.And I see it even here on this board as far as the attitude in racing,everybody does it so who cares.We'll just keep it hid from the outside world.What they don't know,won't hurt them.

And that is exactly the problem in racing today.Too many that just push it under the rug as common practice.And it is destroying what was once America's most watched sport,especially in this day and age of media attention.If we don't start policing ourselves---it's going to get a lot worse for everybody involved in the industry.And if the government gets involved as is being threatened at this very time,well it could mean the end to racing.Don't think that can happen.Chicken and dog fighting were once legal in America.

My own personal opinions on this man is he's a needle man playing on the national stage now where everyone can see and he is a very bad ambassador for racing.

Gee,I like using Winstrol but I don't know what it's used for (you have to ask the vet) but I see no improvement but I also see no ill effects but I still like to use it.What an absolute idiot.

I say this because the first thing out of every potential clients mouth now is if Big Brown had his steroid shot,he would have won the Triple Crown and the second word is now it's all fixed.

One thing I do know on a lot of trainers from here on out,they better play very close to honest because the majority of racing stewards are under attack from the states their in---and the days of it being brushed under the rug are about done no matter who you are or where you play.

Sincerely - Jeff

[serenarider]

One thing I do know on a lot of trainers from here on out,they better play very close to honest because the majority of racing stewards are under attack from the states their in---and the days of it being brushed under the rug are about done no matter who you are or where you play

Soooo True. My question is this. If they start slapping the fines ect on them can't they just use there Asst trainers to do there work for them Like steve Ass did and others? I think if they do wrong them make them sit in time out and not let them get any type of money shut there barn DOWN. If you take there food off there table they will maybe think about what they did wrong. If they fine them then allow there Asst trainers to run there barn what is the point there still getting a paycheck.

[mikec]

Nah ; can't shut the whole barn down. The legal ramifications just make my mind explode.

[horsenuts]

One thing I do know on a lot of trainers from here on out,they better play very close to honest because the majority of racing stewards are under attack from the states their in---and the days of it being brushed under the rug are about done no matter who you are or where you play

Soooo True. My question is this. If they start slapping the fines ect on them can't they just use there Asst trainers to do there work for them Like steve Ass did and others? I think if they do wrong them make them sit in time out and not let them get any type of money shut there barn DOWN. If you take there food off there table they will maybe think about what they did wrong. If they fine them then allow there Asst trainers to run there barn what is the point there still getting a paycheck.

I believe even casual racing fans have been rolling their eyes and snickering at these so called 'suspensions' in recent years where trainers simply put their assts. in charge for 30-60-90 even 180 days with the stable not missing a beat nor owners fleeing for other stables. This BS needs to stop today. Also, for the past 20 years or so every time top trainers have had a bad test they point to 'contamination' and other outside hypotheticals scaring racing commisions into doing nothing for bad tests.


Remember all the bad tests for cocaine 12-15 years back involving Lukas, Baffert and several others? They turned the tables on the testing facilities and their legitimacy with high powered attornyes etc. questioning this and that and received little if any punishment in the end. Ever since then trainers have had NO FEAR of bad tests or at least nothing like they feared having such 30+ years ago. And I'll venture those bad cocaine tests were just that with the cocaine being used in various leg blocks in minute amounts though very effectiven as any of the 'caine' family is a very effective 'deadner & painkiller'.

Asmussen is on the ropes with this latest lidocaine bad test and he's brining out the heavy guns (attorneys) to discredit the testing system etc. This is going to be interseting to watch because racing and its various commisions are going to be under fire to reign this nefarious type activity in. If Asmussen had a 'clean record' he might skate free but with several bad tests on his record this is not going away as it would have a few years back.


FWIW, both Asmussen and Dutrow are deserving of 12 month suspensions at a minimum as both are oft repeat offenders..... ONLY THIS TIME WITH THEIR STABLES BEING COMPLETELY DISBANDED WITH NO FORMER EMPLOYEES HAVING ANY OVERSIGHT. Sorry fellas but the BS needs to stop or else you need to find a new profession.

[Tucumcari]

While I don't disagree with Madelyn's point that final responsibility rests with the trainer here's my point. Trainer's horse comes up with bad test, trainer fined and/or suspended, owner forfeits purse, and vet that injected drug that came up positive, ???? I realize clenbuterol is given orally, but many of the meds being discussed must either be injected or given IV so I just think we should spread the public bashing around like todays DRF on Asmussen's lidocaine positive. They always mention the owners of the horse, how about the vet that gave the lidocaine injection. And if the vet says he never gave the lidocaine then that opens a whole new bag of worms.

Vets are HIRED by trainers. A lot of vets won't work at the track because they feel uncomfortable with what trainers demand. One vet told me he had to hang his morals up at the stable gate on the way in and pick them back up on the way out. It is NOT the fault of the vet, it is PURELY the fault of the trainer.

Oral medications are left in the barn and it is often left up to an illiterate groom to administer them.

Madelyn is right. The trainer is the responsible party. Period. Trainer responsibility is in the rule book and vets are hired. They can suggest, but the trainer says yay or nay.

[parsixfarms]

Nah ; can't shut the whole barn down. The legal ramifications just make my mind explode.

Sure they can. They did it with Biancone; they also did it with Greg Martin's horses during the A One Rocket affair (the milkshaked horse owned by IEAH). In fact, in NY, on the NYRA stall application, the trainer acknowledges that, for a suspension > 15 days, he or she can be prohibited from transferring to an affiliated person. They need to start actually doing this.

[mikec]

Hey ; don't get me wrong. I'm all for it if the morning headlines restore some of the lost lustre. Maybe the casual observer upon reading that a party has not only been caught cheating but actually punished appropriately might improve the fan base. Gonna be a whole bunch of court cases though ! This Asmussen thing mightl be a good litmus test.

[Roguelet]

Nah ; can't shut the whole barn down. The legal ramifications just make my mind explode.

Why not? Below is Indiana's rule on the subject:




71 IAC 10-2-8.1 Effect of ruling – trainers
Authority: IC 4-31-3-9
Affected: IC 4-31-13

Sec. 8.1.

(a) The horse(s) of a trainer suspended for more than fifteen (15) days in Indiana shall not be transferred to a spouse, member of the immediate family, assistant, employee, or household member of the trainer.

(b) The horse(s) of a trainer suspended in another jurisdiction, may, at the discretion of the executive director, judges, or stewards, be placed on the judge's/steward's list and be ineligible to compete in Indiana if such horse(s) is trained by a licensee that is a spouse, member of the immediate family, business associate, assistant, employee, or household member of the suspended trainer.

(c) The executive director, judges, or stewards may require a horse(s) previously trained by a suspended trainer, a horse owned by a person employing a suspended trainer, and/or a horse owned by a person who employed the trainer at the time of suspension to be stabled on the grounds of the association.