Doug O Neil

winds · Postby **winds** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:39 am

D. Wayne did that one year at Delaware. The trainers stood on the rail and watched a bunch of sore horses train in the mornings. Some of his horses were claimed, but I heard one trainer say he'd only claim fillies to turn into broodmares since they were so well bred. Most of what Lukas sent out were colts and geldings though.

winds

going4stamina · Postby **going4stamina** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:59 pm

I've seen enough of Hellonhoofers horses breakdown to think he needs some jail time for animal abuse and attempted manslaughter, personally.

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:14 pm

Interesting Pun

tbrace · Postby **tbrace** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:26 pm

Regardless of which CA track, there are many horses that cannot run on synthetic surfaces. Trainers are moving to dirt in every direction for those horses.

Tiz · Postby **Tiz** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:31 pm

"Keep horses coming and going is key. Know where to capitalize. "

Pure Hollendorfer. You've been a good student, Tuc. I'm sure it's probably a good way to go from the money perspective, and racking up personal record stats, yet it's so un-invested in the sport. Racing fans would be shocked at that particular business model, I'll bet. Some of them think people in racing care about the horses.

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:48 am

tbrace wrote:

Regardless of which CA track, there are many horses that cannot run on synthetic surfaces. Trainers are moving to dirt in every direction for those horses.

Absolutely correct..

ratherrapid · Postby **ratherrapid** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:16 pm

for anyone interested, a doug o'neil interview:

http://ratherrapid.blogspot.com/2008/11/doug-oneill-interview.html

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:22 pm

Tiz wrote:"Keep horses coming and going is key. Know where to capitalize. "

Pure Hollendorfer. You've been a good student, Tuc. I'm sure it's probably a good way to go from the money perspective, and racking up personal record stats, yet it's so un-invested in the sport. Racing fans would be shocked at that particular business model, I'll bet. Some of them think people in racing care about the horses.

nope pure claiming horse trainer. one has to have turn over not be a butcher to be very successful as a claiming horse trainer.
It is one thing to care and it is another to "eat" every horse that comes through your barn. Believe me I LIKE the horses. BUT the difference between just loving your pet and having a horse that is expensive to keep and maintain is that income is also valid. Horses need to earn. Now more than ever owners are more demanding to have horses earn.
I do however don't see how the drop till they pop mentality is productive or right. I love the horse. Love what I do. But they need to earn. IT IS a business.

Shammy Davis · Postby **Shammy Davis** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:57 pm

Tiz posted:

. . . Pure Hollendorfer. You've been a good student, Tuc. I'm sure it's probably a good way to go from the money perspective, and racking up personal record stats, yet it's so un-invested in the sport. Racing fans would be shocked at that particular business model, I'll bet.

I have to tell you Tiz that the above is unwarranted and unjustified. You sound like a PETA activist. Tuc is right. Horse racing is a business and having volunteered w/regional rescue groups I can tell you that the majority of trainers I've come across sincerely want the best for horses. That being said, the problem of unwanted horses goes far beyond one trainer entering one of his horses in a low level claiming race and having it breakdown.

My problem with this thread is that one post selectively singled out one trainer who was operating within the system and apparently, for some reason, ruffled feathers.

If you think the system or business model is bad, work to change it. Don't slam folks who are professionally working in the industry trying to earn a living.

Shammy Davis · Postby **Shammy Davis** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:20 pm

ratherrapid posted:

for anyone interested, a doug o'neil interview:

Very interesting one-sided fictional interview.

Checked out the rest of your blog. Big surprise. Some very good information. Sadly, I pictured you as a young tobacco chewing bib overall dressed redneck from East St. Louis who actually lives in Kansas but uses KC as a drop box to avoid the IRS and ICE. Got a little age on yourself, too. I'm assuming that your profile is not fictional, of course.

Was it you that said, great mines think alike?

ageecee · Postby **ageecee** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:52 am

[quote="Shammy Davis"]Tiz posted: [quote]. . . Pure Hollendorfer. You've been a good student, Tuc. I'm sure it's probably a good way to go from the money perspective, and racking up personal record stats, yet it's so un-invested in the sport. Racing fans would be shocked at that particular business model, I'll bet.[/quote]

I have to tell you Tiz that the above is unwarranted and unjustified. You sound like a PETA activist. Tuc is right. Horse racing is a business and having volunteered w/regional rescue groups I can tell you that the majority of trainers I've come across sincerely want the best for horses. That being said, the problem of unwanted horses goes far beyond one trainer entering one of his horses in a low level claiming race and having it breakdown.

My problem with this thread is that one post selectively singled out one trainer who was operating within the system and apparently, for some reason, ruffled feathers.

If you think the system or business model is bad, work to change it. Don't slam folks who are professionally working in the industry trying to earn a living.[/quote]

Trust me he didnt ruffle my feathers at all. And yes hes operating within the system.

All i said he came east to unload some cripples. Not all are cripples but some are. Apparently that ruffled some feathers of yours. Oh well too bad.

Shammy Davis · Postby **Shammy Davis** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:32 pm

Ageecee posted:

. . . Trust me he didnt ruffle my feathers at all. And yes hes operating within the system.

All i said he came east to unload some cripples. Not all are cripples but some are. Apparently that ruffled some feathers of yours. Oh well too bad.

I can accept that. :wink:

Ageecee admitted:

All i said he came east to unload some cripples.

You are right, you did ruffle my feathers. You admitted you are in LA. You admitted you don't even know Doug O'Neil. How then did you surmise that he shipped East to dump "some" cripples? Did you have the health records on these claimers? Are you a mind reader? What's "too bad" is that you made a unsubstantiated remark that was clearly off the mark because you, by your own admission, can't prove it.

Looks to me like you have a credibility problem.

How come your quote key doesn't work? It's difficult to read your posts when you "quote."

ageecee · Postby **ageecee** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:39 pm

Dont know why the quote key doesnt work. I brought it up to Rogue and she didnt have an answer

ageecee · Postby **ageecee** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:43 pm

I dont have to have health records to know the man is dumping cripples. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know what hes doing. When you drop from 15K or 18K to 5K and you run dead last your dumping.

You can slice and dice it anyway you want hes dumping "some" horses plain and simple. You choose not to believe that. Fine thats your opinion. Its my opinion thats hes dumping some cripples.

Shammy Davis · Postby **Shammy Davis** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:46 pm

I can live w/that. Happy Holidays.