What the hell would it hurt?

[louis finochio]

Thats why Coolmore is not breeding for Fashion anymore, their pedigree adviser lead them down the road of doom. I have been researching pedigrees for 50 years + & I have never seen 28 crosses of stallions from the same sireline in a 5 generation pedigree.

Those FB matings breed small frail tb with a low bone density. When an outcross NFB mare is bred to those FB stallions, the conformation returns to normal, & strength of bone returns.

[BenB]

It,s better to cul them unraced mares etc, than feeding them lasix, bute,
and whatever kind of drugs horses are giving.

Giving them that kind of maskers is hurting the breed much and much more as the true capability is kept in the smog.

In GB and eireland there are no graded races for fillies and mares alone, they have always to battle the boys.

Coolmore is dictating the fashion and not the otherway around

[Bast]

It,s better to cul them unraced mares etc, than feeding them lasix, bute,
and whatever kind of drugs horses are giving.

If there are that many cast-offs, it is a very expensive way of putting meat on the table, knowing there are alternative choices in breeding.

[BenB]

Most of them are taken into production as broodies somewhere, whilst it might be better culling them.

This in order to keep the population in a good quality.

Our definition from culling is not necessarily: slaughter.

Maybe weeding out is a better definition.

[Bast]

Most of them are taken into production as broodies somewhere, whilst it might be better culling them.

This in order to keep the population in a good quality.

Our definition from culling is not necessarily: slaughter.

Maybe weeding out is a better definition.

Unsound mares should not be candidates for broodmares. There are so many others to choose from.

Unfortunately, there are just so many openings for riding horses. Making a good riding horse takes time and sweat, and an animal that could not stand training probably isn't the best candidate for riding, either. Why anyone would consciously breed knowing the resulting foal had a high probability of being unsound strikes me as cruel.

Sea Bird won the Arc twice, but his dam went to the slaughterhouse. It's all very sad.

[LB]

Unsound mares should not be candidates for broodmares. There are so many others to choose from.

An attittude like that presupposed that all unsoundness is genetic. With racemares, it could just as easily be due to poor training methods, bad surfaces, mediocre shoeing, or a variety of other issues.

[Bast]

Unsound mares should not be candidates for broodmares. There are so many others to choose from.

An attittude like that presupposed that all unsoundness is genetic. With racemares, it could just as easily be due to poor training methods, bad surfaces, mediocre shoeing, or a variety of other issues.

When conformation screams biomechanical problems and inefficient action, and the injuries follow, maybe such individuals are poor candidates for broodmares.

Not all unsoundness is genetic, but raising a good horse involves years of effort and work. Starting at the bottom genetically is a helluva climb.

Bad shoeing is out there. I brought home a mare belonging to someone who sent his mare to my place, and thought her feet looked odd. The front feet were nowhere close to being at the same angle, and one of the hind feet had a broken shoe in two pieces nailed on snugly. And yes, she had been racing on those feet--not very well.

[louis finochio]

Those Coolmore & Godolphin FB cull themselves, as they dont stand the rigors of training, they are placed into training & then turned out for months, some come back some dont. Their pedigree advisers are not getting the message. all those Great Breeders of the past would see the handwriting on the wall, & fire all those so called pedigree advisers.

Charlie Whitingham would gallop his tbs 90 days before he started their training. Those tbs were all NFB, today, a high % of those FB couldnt even gallop 90 before having many problems.

[BenB]

Louis, please lookm at their stallion roster in eireland, there no NP to be found if your look at them sirelines.

http://www.coolmore.com/roster.php?list=ireland.

[louis finochio]

I have see the degeneration of the breed thru their frail conformation & unsoundness. Those FB matings are causing these problems, as the new generation of breeders dont have the knowledge of how to breed a sound tb.

Those buyers of those FB, will not come back to buy or bid on those FB again, as they become a high risk for unsoundness when placed in training.

We have a big problem, & its only going to be solved by breeding mares to those FB stallions that dont have the same Inbreeding as those FB stallions.

[wangkw]

Is there any program put in place to restrain the increase of equine population? Or at least some measures to
make every birth accountable ? People who are familiar with Koi business would tell you many young fish are
dumped into drains every year in order to sell those which survive at a higer price.

Fish seems ok..no humanity issue..but not horses and the likes right ?

[Bast]

Is there any program put in place to restrain the increase of equine population? Or at least some measures to
make every birth accountable ? People who are familiar with Koi business would tell you many young fish are
dumped into drains every year in order to sell those which survive at a higer price.

Fish seems ok..no humanity issue..but not horses and the likes right ?

The lack of a marketplace for so many horses (of all breeds) is having the effect of limiting the number of foals.

There is no way of limiting the stupidity of people breeding hopelessly terrible mares in the belief that a good stallion (who just happens to be just down the road or in the next stall) will cure all problems.

My government is already dictating the nature of my toilet and the bulbs in my light sockets. I don't want it dipping into horse breeding.