KHRC Revokes Dutrow's License

[photofinish]

Overhere it is required that a horse is running med free, and no time charter.

So a change from the rules, and that is solved.

Europe is better equiped within them racing rules, than the usa.

I have never raced in Europe. I would probably like it. BUT, I take issue with the "Europe is drug-free and pure as the driven snow" stance. Some of the sharper US vets are getting anti-bleeding and pain meds from Europe because "They work real well and don't test". Had a horse several yrs ago who was the worst bleeder I have ever had. Retirement was looking like the best way to go when a vet got the "European bleeder stuff" it held him 100%. The Euros can preach "No Lasix, No Bute, No Banamine" all day long, but they do use meds.

[Bast]

Overhere it is required that a horse is running med free, and no time charter.

So a change from the rules, and that is solved.

Europe is better equiped within them racing rules, than the usa.

I have never raced in Europe. I would probably like it. BUT, I take issue with the "Europe is drug-free and pure as the driven snow" stance. Some of the sharper US vets are getting anti-bleeding and pain meds from Europe because "They work real well and don't test". Had a horse several yrs ago who was the worst bleeder I have ever had. Retirement was looking like the best way to go when a vet got the "European bleeder stuff" it held him 100%. The Euros can preach "No Lasix, No Bute, No Banamine" all day long, but they do use meds.

What is the capability of European drug testing? You don't necessarily need to know a drug is in use to be able to detect it. Depending upon the analytical technique, you can detect and determine drug structure.

[BenB]

Photofinish, I like to got a brand name from you, so I might be able to interact.

If one persist on racing with med,s etc, there is always a reason to find for acting as one does.

Overhere we do use medication, only the horses gets time for recovery.

We keep an eye on the withdrawel times.

Racing with medication is harming the natural ability for recovery from an earlier injury and is the way for main injuries to come in a fast way.

Finding a stick for beating a dog.

Free translation from an dutch saying.

French lab,s are the best throughout the world, they test for states like Dubai etc aswell.
In france racing, breeding etc is an nationwide important industry.
Normandy and Bretagne the rural parts in france are literally depending on it.
Betting is under the state government and is highly regarded.

[TJ]

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French lab,s are the best throughout the world, they test for states like Dubai etc aswell.
In france racing, breeding etc is an nationwide important industry.
Normandy and Bretagne the rural parts in france are literally depending on it.
Betting is under the state government and is highly regarded.

Hi Ben,
I wonder if that's why Biancone left France and later was kicked out of Hong Kong.....as he found, along with other's of such mind set, the one undetectable compound for pain, cobra venom. Then he decided he could get away with it here in America, who should have never allowed him to be reinstated after he left Hong Kong. He get's a year ban from racing for the venom, his Vet get's much more time and it's business as usual once again for Biancone. This was another sting by the KY racing comm., but didn't react as quickly as they did with Dutrow stating that since the horses were entered they didn't want to punish Biancone's owner's.... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horses/2 ... 7316_x.htm . Another earlier story concerning Biancone below:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/19468788/ This is what I mean about these commission's having too much arbitrary power and violate right's of other's because of this discretionary power? If I were Dutrow's lawyer I would use this case to prove prejudicial treatment against him.
Before lasix was available in NY they used Amicar for bleeder's. Then the Chinese herb, Yunnan Baiyao (Paiyao) Powder which will hold a bad bleeder better than anything else.....yet they tell you to administer it along with lasix and I'm not certain that the way they tell you to use it is legal according to the rules of racing... http://www.racetowin.ca/Yunnan_Baiyao_powder.htm . Nothing is supposed to be administered orally to the horse on race day other than water and feed and that's usually pulled after the lasix is administered.
In any case.....if there is a will, there is a way...even the Queen of England's Vet group was caught using bleeder medication this year on race day. Funny thing about this case.....nothing noted concerning the trainer of the horse who would most likely have been involved in ordering the shot?.... http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2011/02/155.shtml . In another failed attempt, one of the Queen's trainer's was caught and suspended in a earlier instance....and another funny thing....it centered around the same horse! http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/07/028.shtml . So no matter what is done with the medication rules here or Europe....those that are larcenous will continue to cheat the system.....let's not be too naive about this situation....very few are squeaky clean and drug free on either side of the pond. TJ

[BenB]

A further hearing was held in July 2009 to determine the sanction to be applied, and Henderson was fined £40,000 (a record penalty for the sport in the UK) and banned from running horses for three months (11 July to 10 October 2009).However, as Henderson is primarily a jumps trainer and this ban was during the flat season it caused him little inconvenience. Additionally he was allowed to continue training during the "ban" and was allowed to enter and race horses as long as they ran under the name of another trainer and were moved to that other trainer's stables the day before the race. This was seen by many as akin to not being banned at all.[2]

The ban should have been from october to january, that would have hit where it hurts, his pocket.

40k pds is just about 60k dollar I believe.

The ban which the vet recieved was a lot worser, he lost his job for a long time.

People are cheating everywhere the globe, but them actions against it, has to be fierce

[TJ]

A further hearing was held in July 2009 to determine the sanction to be applied, and Henderson was fined £40,000 (a record penalty for the sport in the UK) and banned from running horses for three months (11 July to 10 October 2009).However, as Henderson is primarily a jumps trainer and this ban was during the flat season it caused him little inconvenience. Additionally he was allowed to continue training during the "ban" and was allowed to enter and race horses as long as they ran under the name of another trainer and were moved to that other trainer's stables the day before the race. This was seen by many as akin to not being banned at all.[2]

The ban should have been from october to january, that would have hit where it hurts, his pocket.

40k pds is just about 60k dollar I believe.

People are cheating everywhere the globe, but them actions against it, has to be fierce

Hello Ben,
At least it's not just America where the favorites get special treatment:>) Thanks for that post....quite interesting. Kind of like when Pletcher was suspended, he moved his top horses to Palm Beach Downs (an unlicensed/ungoverned training center, 15 minutes South of Palm Meadows) and trained his horses there.....shipping in to his assistants at Palm Meadows and Gulfstream Park when Pletcher wanted them to run. TJ