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I thought it was common knowledge that Louisiana was the most corrupt state in the union, just take a look at the guy in Washington with 90 grand in his freezer, that says it all. I'm not talking just about horse racing but the whole darn state. Oh, don't forget Katrina fraud.
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Louisiana racing may be corrupt but nothing you have posted supports your allegations. In an attempt to defend your training ability and establish credibility, you state the following:
"she went to the post like a lady and walk in the gate well,broke well but with only long gallops into her had not enough speed to be really there i still maintain that after a few speed works or races she would have done better."
So you send a horse to post totally unprepared and you expect me to believe the Louisiana racing world is out to get you. Sorry but I'm not buying.
On a positive note the training facility/farm you are trying to rent/sell looks fabulous from the photo display.
"she went to the post like a lady and walk in the gate well,broke well but with only long gallops into her had not enough speed to be really there i still maintain that after a few speed works or races she would have done better."
So you send a horse to post totally unprepared and you expect me to believe the Louisiana racing world is out to get you. Sorry but I'm not buying.
On a positive note the training facility/farm you are trying to rent/sell looks fabulous from the photo display.
Alrighty, facts be as they may.
I know for an absolute fact that Rosinsky was a walking wreck, along with Oros, The Kandaly Kid, et al.
I know because I saw them and that same owner dumped two mares on me.
Sylvie, despite any discontent with the Louisiana racing circuit, is a REALLY good person in my book for even thinking about giving these crippled hatracks a moment's thought, let alone trying to race one, coupled with the pie in the sky, head in the clouds, unrealistic idiocy of their owner.
Lighten up on her, n'est ce pas?
I know for an absolute fact that Rosinsky was a walking wreck, along with Oros, The Kandaly Kid, et al.
I know because I saw them and that same owner dumped two mares on me.
Sylvie, despite any discontent with the Louisiana racing circuit, is a REALLY good person in my book for even thinking about giving these crippled hatracks a moment's thought, let alone trying to race one, coupled with the pie in the sky, head in the clouds, unrealistic idiocy of their owner.
Lighten up on her, n'est ce pas?
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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Shammy Davis
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Jimblebrimble: Is there no post that will be free of your malicious responses? Clearly, you need to look in the mirror and see your conduct for what it is. Anyone who has spent anytime around North American Racing, if they are honest, will admit the politics of the business can be and most often is humbling. You've apparently got your opinions and I respect your right to comment on them, but it is apparent that your underlying objective is more directed at maligning an individual, not protecting or improving the quality of the racing industry. As for being confused, I've been accused of that before. After over 35 years of working in the horse industry, my opinion of that accusation is that it is baseless and from someone who may well be standing on a rocky surface themselves. 
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Shammy,
Exactly what "malicious responses" are you citing??
You continue to confuse factual reality with personal bias.
I couldn't care less about some random trainer in this country no matter how poor her record, but when the subject turns to implicit corruption in racing, then her facts absolutely must be checked. In not doing so, you as well are contributing to the problem.
Perhaps the corruption here lies with the trainer herself, after all she does admit to "protecting" someone by accumulating the record in question.
Exactly what "malicious responses" are you citing??
You continue to confuse factual reality with personal bias.
I couldn't care less about some random trainer in this country no matter how poor her record, but when the subject turns to implicit corruption in racing, then her facts absolutely must be checked. In not doing so, you as well are contributing to the problem.
Perhaps the corruption here lies with the trainer herself, after all she does admit to "protecting" someone by accumulating the record in question.
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Shammy Davis
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JimbleBrimble, you wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm included with the "rest of you." If we remark on this thread and you don't like it we're "out of place." I don't like being slammed for remarking that your comments are getting out of hand. I don't mind you having an opinion regarding this thread. I don't mind you making a comment or two. You've made allegations of slander, et al. You've accused another individual of dishonesty and I'm interested to know what your creditials are? What is your position in this whole issue? Are you member of the LA liscensing board? A trainer? A steward? A jockey or jockey agent? Assistant starter? Head Groom? Owner? The Governor? What? Why should anyone except your information over another based on just JimbleBrimble. If you want to ride this dead horse fine. I've got live ones to care for.
From my point of view you've not entertained anyone of us with your remarks or your unsubstantiated evidence against the trainer who originated the thread. It is possible that she could have it all wrong. I don't know, but I suggest before you start barking at my heels, I'd like a take on why trashing this particular trainer is so important to saving LA racing.
It sounds to me, if you think you are so right about this issue that maybe the LA racing commission or possibly a track secretary should take a look at the issue. If LA racing is being slandered then put the LA Attorney General on it. My guess is he has got better things to do and he would tell you that there is no case. Other than that I not interested in being slammed over my slight bit of interest in an issue that should have been trashed some days ago.
As for the rest of you who confuse "sniping and sarcasm" with factual reality, you're just plain out of place. Someone who has "not got time" for (factual reality) in cases of severe slander of the racing industry certainly seems to have plenty of time to beat a proverbial dead horse.
I'm pretty sure I'm included with the "rest of you." If we remark on this thread and you don't like it we're "out of place." I don't like being slammed for remarking that your comments are getting out of hand. I don't mind you having an opinion regarding this thread. I don't mind you making a comment or two. You've made allegations of slander, et al. You've accused another individual of dishonesty and I'm interested to know what your creditials are? What is your position in this whole issue? Are you member of the LA liscensing board? A trainer? A steward? A jockey or jockey agent? Assistant starter? Head Groom? Owner? The Governor? What? Why should anyone except your information over another based on just JimbleBrimble. If you want to ride this dead horse fine. I've got live ones to care for.
From my point of view you've not entertained anyone of us with your remarks or your unsubstantiated evidence against the trainer who originated the thread. It is possible that she could have it all wrong. I don't know, but I suggest before you start barking at my heels, I'd like a take on why trashing this particular trainer is so important to saving LA racing.
It sounds to me, if you think you are so right about this issue that maybe the LA racing commission or possibly a track secretary should take a look at the issue. If LA racing is being slandered then put the LA Attorney General on it. My guess is he has got better things to do and he would tell you that there is no case. Other than that I not interested in being slammed over my slight bit of interest in an issue that should have been trashed some days ago.
Wow has this turned into an interesting thread!
I dont find anything malicious about JB's info.....he posted the truth about SH's stats and starters.........i dont really find those stats hard to believe ......i mean come on! SH even admits to "running a horse that jumped out of a FREAKING burning trailer and hanging out with firemen for 7 hours!".
SH may be a nice lady and really like her horses but damn! The descriptions she gives on her horses and the stuff that has happened to them before the races and she's still runs them PROVES she shouldnt have a trainers licence. If i was a jockey or an agent in Lousiana i wouldnt ride them either.
Good Luck!
Ryeno
I dont find anything malicious about JB's info.....he posted the truth about SH's stats and starters.........i dont really find those stats hard to believe ......i mean come on! SH even admits to "running a horse that jumped out of a FREAKING burning trailer and hanging out with firemen for 7 hours!".
SH may be a nice lady and really like her horses but damn! The descriptions she gives on her horses and the stuff that has happened to them before the races and she's still runs them PROVES she shouldnt have a trainers licence. If i was a jockey or an agent in Lousiana i wouldnt ride them either.
Good Luck!
Ryeno
"The easiest way to end up with a million dollars in the horseracing business is to start with 3 million!"
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Shammy Davis
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Ryeno: The issue that I'm making has nothing to do with whether SH is a good or bad trainer. The point I'm making is that this board is on www and when you take it upon yourself to make information available to it of a negative nature concerning a particular individual you do so at their peril. The information and the statements cross the globe. It is apparent after reviewing the thread that the initial post was one of frustration on the part of SH. She spoke in general terms and they came from her perspective. Venting is commonplace on boards like this. It got out of hand when specific information was made available to the board that reflected negatively on SH and her alone. SH may have made a mistake by revealing her true identity, but she has to deal with that now. Others who posted negative information about her to the thread were not so inclined. They protected themselves behind their fictional or imaginative board names. My position is that if you as a member of this board want to make specific charges of negative nature on this board against another, you need to put your credits out for all to see. Otherwise, remarks that may be negative and may discredit a person's reputation should be withheld. This thread has not been over a difference of opinions, this thread has involved remarks that were meant to destroy a person's reputation. If you find that OK, that's your right. I don't. I've got little respect for individuals who discredit others without revealing themselves personally. Recently, there has been another individual new to this board that is doing the same with PM's. If you have an issue with another on this board that is negative in nature, take it to them personally and let the rest of us enjoy the board for what it has to offer.
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The sport and industry survive not only because of the champions that are remembered forever but also because of the losers that are so easy to forget...