Reason number 812 I don't like Todd Pletcher

[nythoroughbredvz]

I'm not a Pletcher fan in the least bit! But BDW are you sure this isnt penned up agression toward "BRANDY" on Forest Gump? let it out we are here to listen...j/k i agree with you trainers and owners shouldnt talk of their horses like they are a share of stock. even though thats the ultimate goal for a horse after its racing career. it to the better, the public to be cold hearted especially if after he made that statement the horse had broken down and had to be euthenized.... so to a point i agree with you there are responsibilities to the public to ensure first and foremost its the horse that matters. and not the value after the next finish line.. oh BDW I hear Brandy is still single!

[bdw0617]

but none of this has to do twit the point. The horse just won a grade 1 turf race. he's ashado's full brohter. that should promote itself. he should be promiting the race horse, not the stallion prospect.

[nythoroughbredvz]

I agree he should have pluged his racing ability and breeding and not dollar sign's but to me thats Pletcher. he runs his stable like his horses are disposable. Look at Richard Mandella to me he keeps his horses for the long haul doesnt rush them. Pletcher is/was on top of his game. and its not about the horses anymore..just my oppinion..

[winds]

After reading this thread I think I'll sell my mare, cancel my subscription to The Blood Horse and forget I ever had anything to do with thoroughbred racing.

WAKE UP!!!! Everyone is needed in this business, the bettors, the owners, the FANS, the trainers, the grooms, the hot walkers, the excercise riders, the jockeys, the racing officials, the tracks and their owners etc etc etc.

The man said what he said, it was in poor taste. But really, go back, re read this thread and then tell me you want to stay in racing.

winds

[bdw0617]

winds,

you might very well be the most logical poster on this forum. I love reading your posts and you have a love for thesport I only wish I can have when I get older (not calling you old, but I'm pretty young by standards of the people here)

Look at Richard Mandella to me he keeps his horses for the long haul doesnt rush them.

Most of them aren't fancy breds like Sunriver is.



another thing.. do you honestly think he improved the damn horses stock one iodta with that silly comment? like gainesway's bloodstock against didnt' know he was a full brother to ashado and had a great one. I doubt Taylor made's bloodstock agent went to the general manager and said "look, here is a full brother to ashado.. and guess what boss.. he can run a little bit!!"

my freakin gosh.

h BDW I hear Brandy is still single!

[Rokeby Forever]

Forget that Sunriver is a full brother to Ashado - he's a full brother to Saint Stephen, who's standing in Canada for $3,000. I don't like Pletcher plugging a breeding career over racing, but I don't hold it against him in this case. Sunriver needs help!

[bdw0617]

Forget that Sunriver is a full brother to Ashado - he's a full brother to Saint Stephen, who's standing in Canada for $3,000. I don't like Pletcher plugging a breeding career over racing, but I don't hold it against him in this case. Sunriver needs help!

the only thing he can do to help his cause is to give a sex change to ashado and hope she can sire some grade 1 runners. otherwise he is wasting his breath

[Tucumcari]

After reading this thread I think I'll sell my mare, cancel my subscription to The Blood Horse and forget I ever had anything to do with thoroughbred racing.

WAKE UP!!!! Everyone is needed in this business, the bettors, the owners, the FANS, the trainers, the grooms, the hot walkers, the excercise riders, the jockeys, the racing officials, the tracks and their owners etc etc etc.The man said what he said, it was in poor taste. But really, go back, re read this thread and then tell me you want to stay in racing.

winds

Winds, You have dedicated alot of your life to horse racing in a working capacity, am I not correct? You KNOW that grooms and hotwalkers, exercise riders, trainers gamble, jockey agents, etc...the list goes on. Lots of people try to "hide" their horses such that they can cash. That's not news.
Fans are a part, yes, but they are not the only important part. In this day and age trainers have to promote mediocre horses in order to get a good buck as a stallion. If they were, We wouldn't need slot machines, Partrick wouldn't be thanking God and Cash Call in one breath, jock's are sponsored. Is this that much different? We NEED Gamblers! We ned their money to sustain purses. We need owners, and Pletcher with those words proves what a good promoter he is as was Lukas before him, Baffert.... you think these guys have full barns of million dollar horses because they are horsemen? No, They are promoters.
Mandella might be a bad example as B Wayne Hughes is someone who can affor the "exploratory" surgeries and the time off etc... not every owner is in that same boat.

[ZZTOPPERS]

This threat got me thinking--what was it like for me BEFORE I got into the ownership side of racing--all I wanted to do was stand on the rail and watch the horses charge down the stretch in front of me. Feel their power and stand in awe of their beauty. I was over 40, not a silly kid anymore, but I felt like one! It's the same feeling I got the first time I ever went to a horse race at Santa Anita when I was 16---I still get that feeling today. I never knew the trainers, didn't have a clue about the connections, knew the Jockeys because I thought they were the luckiest people on earth, but LOVED the horses.

God, I love the horses.......

Thanks for making me remember that!

[winds]

I do love the game of racing/breeding. I just don't like the direction it's going. I can't blame everything on the participants, I do put a good portion of the blame on the powers that be. We need to have an ongoing advertising campaign. We have people within the entertainment industry that we could use, we also have people within other sports that are involved, why can't we use them in campaigns?

We have great articles in The Blood-Horse and the Thoroughbred Times regarding all of these incredible people and how they praise racing yet it's not out there in the mainstream. Duh?????

I don't agree with the comment that Pletcher made, I understand it, but don't like it. You make a comment like that at the end of a horses racing career, not before, unless you are shopping him around. Of course then I'd make the comment within the industry to those that might be interested in him, not to the press.

Is this sport any different than other sports with it's changes? No. I remember when quarter backs used to call their own plays. That coaches didn't have all the replay equipment to watch bad plays to find what went wrong, then call down to the field the changes. They used to just use their own eyes and would see it happen in real time. Now it's changed and not for the good.

Is our sport beyond saving?

winds

[TJ]

This threat got me thinking--what was it like for me BEFORE I got into the ownership side of racing--all I wanted to do was stand on the rail and watch the horses charge down the stretch in front of me. Feel their power and stand in awe of their beauty. I was over 40, not a silly kid anymore, but I felt like one! It's the same feeling I got the first time I ever went to a horse race at Santa Anita when I was 16---I still get that feeling today. I never knew the trainers, didn't have a clue about the connections, knew the Jockeys because I thought they were the luckiest people on earth, but LOVED the horses.

God, I love the horses.......

Thanks for making me remember that!

Hi ZZ,
You just described the essence of a true racing fan. Not to be confused with a racing/gambling fan. No ulterior motives, just a pure love of the sport of horse racing. There is nothing on Gods green earth that can compare to the heart and courage of a thoroughbred. I'm glad you were able to promote yourself to owner. Best of luck, TJ

[winds]

ZZ,

Every once in awhile we all need to remember this.

winds

[Tucumcari]

I'm a fan, that's what got me started, but at the end of the day I made it my livelyhood, and understand the same as winds and Roke and various others that money has to be made and promoted.

[bdw0617]

I do love the game of racing/breeding. I just don't like the direction it's going. I can't blame everything on the participants, I do put a good portion of the blame on the powers that be. We need to have an ongoing advertising campaign. We have people within the entertainment industry that we could use, we also have people within other sports that are involved, why can't we use them in campaigns?

We have great articles in The Blood-Horse and the Thoroughbred Times regarding all of these incredible people and how they praise racing yet it's not out there in the mainstream. Duh?????

I don't agree with the comment that Pletcher made, I understand it, but don't like it. You make a comment like that at the end of a horses racing career, not before, unless you are shopping him around. Of course then I'd make the comment within the industry to those that might be interested in him, not to the press.

Is this sport any different than other sports with it's changes? No. I remember when quarter backs used to call their own plays. That coaches didn't have all the replay equipment to watch bad plays to find what went wrong, then call down to the field the changes. They used to just use their own eyes and would see it happen in real time. Now it's changed and not for the good.

Is our sport beyond saving?

winds

no it's not beyond saving, but tis' not going to be until it actually wants to be saved.

horse racing needs a centrel governing body.. a commissioner if you will. the idea will get scauffed at, but it's situtations like this one that the commish would have called pletch into his office and privatly said "look..dont' do that shit anymore. it's not in anyones best interest. if you want to shop the horse around you know who to call"

while I don't think horse racing is in HORRIBLE shape, it's not in GREAT shape. I can't bet on some of hte best tracks in the world (new york) here, but I can bet damn near anywhere for a poker game I can think of. there are alot of things that needs to be changed, starting with the attitudes of some in the industry who forget the very simple notiont hat hey... it's about the horseys and the racing fans at the ned of the d ay.


the true racing fans, peple like me who would drive to opening day in 6 inches of snow just to see live racing, who keep racing alfloat when shit was REALLY bad. don't abondon us now. give us the respect we want.


I vow when I do get my horses i would never be like that. my love for racing is to much to disrespect fans in that manner, partlly because I would be disrespecting myself.


ZZ, my fav day at racing was when I was visitng my dad whne I was young, he took me to oaklawn park and it was arkansas derby day.. it was the race concern won the derby. I remember a horse by the name of Boozing, and everytime in the stretch the horse would do something or make a move Terry Wallace would scream his name and by the time of the strech call he would pooint the mic torwards the fans and you had 60k fans screaming BOOZING! at once... I had no idea who the horse was but I loved him after that race and he got up and won. I was hooked ever since.

[Tucumcari]

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the true racing fans, peple like me who would drive to opening day in 6 inches of snow just to see live racing, who keep racing alfloat when shit was REALLY bad. don't abondon us now. give us the respect we want.

I vow when I do get my horses i would never be like that. my love for racing is to much to disrespect fans in that manner, partlly because I would be disrespecting myself.
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You profess to GAMBLE, Being a fan isn't what makes you drive in snow or rain or whatever you experience in your neck of the woods. Gambling does. And you can watch and cheer and gamble from home too.