Black Thoroughbreds Thread

[Barbaro06]

That race was a workout for Songster. Beautiful black horse I say. He whooped up on that field...he was too much the best!

[Jessi P]

Just saw this thread - I have to say that I saw Valentine in the flesh the other night after she ran. She is gorgeous - not very tall, but a nice broad chest and rear end, with a long, thin diamond shape star on her face. They ship her in and out from the farm or I would go take pics....

[summerhorse]

Here's one that looks black:
http://www.starquine.com/mare_detail_ne ... p?id=6194#

[halfpint23]

Got one in my herd, nice big stout filly,registered as black with Jockey Club (and "they" told me it couldn't be done)

http://irishhuntersandjumpers.com/Shoot.html

Now that she's in training and not getting doused with fly goop continually all summer, she stays a lot more inky-black, too! There's something in that stuff that bleaches coats.....

[summerhorse]

I saw her on another thread. I just love her!

[Elusive City]

well I really liked Six Perfections "the black bullet"

the hoss could motor on turf.

[jellac]

Here's a link to a tribute to Malvado a winning 'black' TB stallion of some fame in India racing circles - found the tribute on Indiarace.com's site -

http://www.poonawallagroup.com/pfarm/co ... alvado.htm

[Sunday Silence]

Got another registered black: Internet Boy.

He won at Suffolk on May. 27 in a one mile dirt. He is now 27(9-2-6) $113,856

[griff]

Would two dark bay/brown horses be more aot to produce a black?

griff

[Sunday Silence]

I don't know, Griff. There is a color expert at Thoroughbredchampions.com you might try. Just post it in the breeding sections. Mumtaz is her posting name.

[Sunday Silence]

Valentine
Your Comment: ''02 black filly by Lion Hearted x Hearts by Press Card

Date: June 6, 2006
Track: Mountaineer Race Track And Gaming Resort

Race: 2
Distance: Five Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Age: 3U
Sex: F & M (fillies and mares)
Race Type: Claiming
Purse: $10,800
Jockey: Jesus Barria
Trainer: William R. Thoburn

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Just Gabi
June 3, 2006
Delaware Park #9
1 mile dirt claiming
$20,000
Fin: 5/8 $600
30(4-10-2) $153,898

[Sunday Silence]

Valentine
Your Comment: ''02 black filly by Lion Hearted x Hearts by Press Card

Date: June 6, 2006
Track: Mountaineer Race Track And Gaming Resort

Race: 2
Distance: Five Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Age: 3U
Sex: F & M (fillies and mares)
Race Type: Claiming
Purse: $10,800
Jockey: Jesus Barria
Trainer: William R. Thoburn

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Just Gabi
June 3, 2006
Delaware Park #9
1 mile dirt claiming
$20,000
Fin: 5/8 $600
30(4-10-2) $153,898

[xfactor fan]

In answer to your question Griff, there are two seperate genes and two pairs of chromosomes.

First the base coat:

A dark bay would be black based and either black/black or black/red (EE, or Ee)

Then the bay color comes from another pair of chromosomes and so a bay horse needs to have at least one bay gene to be bay bay/bay or bay/not bay
(Agouti AA, Aa)

A black horse does not have the the bay (A) version of the gene. So a black horse would be black/black or black/red in the base coat, and not black/not black in the other gene.

To further complicate matters at the bay gene location there are at least four versions of the gene. Bay, Black, Seal Brown, and Wild Bay.


So to get a black from two bay parents both have to be black based and carry the not bay version of the Agouti gene.


You are never going to get a black from two chestnuts. So in that respect you are more likely to get blacks from bays.

Hope this helps

[Sunday Silence]

Out of Ashes
Your Comment: blk.f. 2003 by Dome-Cedar Creek, by Alysheba.

Date: June 9, 2006
Track: Albuquerque

Race: 5
Distance: Five And One Half Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Age: 35
Sex: F & M (fillies and mares)
Race Type: Maiden Special Weight
Purse: $8,100
Jockey: Miguel A. Perez
Trainer: F. James McArthur
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Derby Day Hope
Your Comment: ''00 black gelding Old Stories x Whata Crying Shame

Date: June 9, 2006
Track: Les Bois Park

Race: 8
Distance: Six And One Half Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Age: 3U
Sex: Open
Race Type: Claiming
Purse: $2,500
Jockey: Rowdy J. Luark
Trainer: Lin Melton

[tammysinnett]

Our foal is shedding out--she looks dark ,black but because she has brown around her nose would she be considered dark bay???Wha is the complete description of black???